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Cuss
2024-04-22 22:10:51 UTC So, Mellow for mod. I love my lil bro dearly, hes been my friend for years. But idk if id extend him the grace of having moderator here.
Doing some thinking about yesterday, i do see challas’s concerns and why he did what he did, but ultimately i don’t feel like it was necessarily warranted. Gigans initial post had essentially everything challas was arguing for to begin with, and his layer post was just it again with a fresh coat of paint, and a few already implied words (mind you gigan did say he was going to lock the inital post he made). Challas seems to be okay with gigans newer post, however undifferent it really is, and however convicted to the belief Challas is that its better. Ultimately yesterday everything was pointless. I dont think he ever should have been put into mod status if he thinks deleting a post made to be about exposing someone for public harmful opinions made about a sizable community that it itself resides here, is cool, simply because the words on his screen arent pretty enough for him. mod involment wasnt necessary, and i dont think that yesterday opens the gate to allow for mellow to comfortably slot into a mod slot
As for mellow being mod, my argument against that is both the fact that mf is active once a month if that (sounds like another mod uwu), and that his opinions are ultimately biased in favor towards the group he knows (including me and a few others).
its way easier for me to rally with someone who agrees with me, and i know hed actually do something about losers who come in and spout transphobic/homophobic nonsense, i dont really know what else he would do. i dont think itd be inherently negative, but mods feel like theyre in a position to kinda just sit there. barely doing much, which, is a good thing i suppose but mellow filling a void or taking a new spot doesnt change anything in the end. lemon yesterday had a good point of nothing really being able to be done without reporting to ralph and well, sometimes hes good, other times not.
challas doesnt do what this subset of the community wants, mellow, i dont think at least, would do anything this community necessarily needs, and mainly just cuz he cant. he doesnt have the power, nor would mod give it to him
tbh, i think mod is a useless role, it doesnt solve the issue of a problematic user or situation, flagging content doesnt mean retribution happens, it just means the post gets deleted and big whoop, it can just be brought up again. mod needs some actual power
ultimately im not on the site enough to really give a shit about the direction of who runs what. but i dont think either should be mod
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One thing’s for sure, Ralph doesn’t deal with the site on his own even though he is full well capable of doing so.
Maybe stop doing shitposts and deal with our shitty posts.
He’s already dealing with the app itself and a ton of other things
That’s why there’s admins as well-
Oh I forgot about admins, yeah.
You speak sense sister
Look, what I don’t fully understand here, is that i’m not the one creating the rules.
This rule has been breached, whether I agree with the rule is unfortunately not relevant. It’s my job to just do whatever is asked of me to do.
The whole discussion should be where mods should draw the line. Basically interpretation of the given rules. This was all we’ve been trying to discuss (or atleast so i thought)
Now that I see there’s a public outrage just because one post got flagged, like millions of others, is quite an odd concept.
everyone can be upset for their post being flagged and they can happily ask why. I have the moral to try to explain and perhaps find a reason why the post shouldn’t be flagged.
I don’t often give my opinions, but I do not like robert’s behaviour, so at the end everyone here had the same opinion on the matter regarding the original problem. (except for a few difference in severity etc, but not really different. Him specifically attacking users is not good, but in my opinion, one guy is not that big of a threat once we hit him with a good ban hammer)
I do not see why, just because we can differ on opinions on certain topics, would suddenly have to turn into a rebellion..
I would also like to note that Gigan’s replacing post was not totally what I was asking for, but i’ve tolerated it as it was an attempt at addressing the original problem. An attempt at diffision.
I would like to address that I was trying to find a middle ground with the community aboutone post being flagged. However when trying to argument, i’ve been repeatedly called names (often deleted afterwards) for no real reason.
I’ve flagged tons of posts already that have helped the community. How does one posts (regardless of the content; since it is through grammatical interpretation of the site guidelines, a clear breach of the rules). “In the righteouness”, that’s what y’all were doing, but please. Just because I actually enforce the given rules on the site, does not require this much controversy.
At the end of the day; lets say that flagging the post was a mistake. Then why this much chaos?
I was trying to explain Gigan why his post got flagged, he gave his opinion and then suddenly everyone came.
A flagged post that has eventually been given the green light should have been the end.
At the end of the day, I know that you (cuss) and others such as gigan and mellow have different thought processes, but come on. We’ve all known each other for some time, we’ve never really had actually issues besides on our opinions how certain things should dealt with. I’ve for some of you, privately messaged y’all to support/give advice.
You can still not like me at all, but there’s nothing much I’ve actually done bad except for civilly giving my opinion on certain matters.
My conclusion being: Why when someone differs opinion, why would that suddenly turn into hate? Why does this one flagged post suddenly represent all my mod work?
(also let’s not reignite? Just normal talking like your post)
unfortunately my problem with that whole rule thing is how narrow minded you are about upholding the rule in addendum to serving the community. you dont seem to focus on the initial point of the message, in my interpretation it didnt break any rules, having gigan himself even admitting his goal was not to oust, or shame, or what have you, but to inform this site, this subset of the community, of his behavior.
while the role of the moderator is to uphold the rules, and on that end you (still failed imo but i can see why you did what you did) did well, its also the the job of the moderator to listen to what the community has to say,and the criticism of their ruling.
Your middle ground felt less of a middle ground, and you just conceeding to end this whole debacle, while still not really siding eith the majority which opinions are fine i agree but right now im talking about your role as a moderator and not you as a person
i apologize, for you being attacked, i noticed thay as well and failed to say anything eccept in my own private server, with my friends. So on that part im sorry for not speaking up, even if thay fixes nothing.
thr controversy comes because this is a genuinely serious issue, this is one user attacking not only other users, but whole communities, some who are widely present here. your decision to delete gigans message, only seemed to show how little you cared about that issue, and your “diffusion” seemed like an attempt to double back and save face, and to stop arguing.
im sure the people you have helped with advice and whatnot are grateful of that, despute the current situation but i, personally, hardly know you. i dont wish to attack you directly, and im sorry if that has happened to you at my behest and because of my post yesterday. in truth, i cant say im fond of you after the whole flag thing with milky, that felt super petty, man, and not necessary at all and that same playing “middle ground, devils advocate” still kinda is present.
im sorry if you feel i haye you, or that anyone does, speaking for myself at least i dont hate you, but i feel like if youre going to do stuff like this, and not listen to the community you govern unless its convenient as to diffuse a situation, and not to solve a problem…well i dont think that makes you mod material. thats all im arguing for. i dont think you should be ousted from sn, i dont think you should be site banned or anything, but i dont agree with your placement in being a mod, because this has happened a few times before, before you were mod.
oh and apologies for spelling errors this is a lot to type and i honedtly dont feel like fixing them
I see, I do appreciate your concern on the attacking. I will not try to convince your opinion of me being a good mod, that’s fully what you are entitled to have!
cant say im fond of you after the whole flag thing with milky, that felt super petty, man
Really quickly, what do you mean about milky? I have not flagged anyone’s posted related to this topic except gigan’s post that started it. Matter of fact, I do not even recall seeing her name popup. Unless you’re talking about another situation, but rest assured that I have never flagged Milky! (unless i’m mistaken of course, but it’s definitely not these days).I appreciate the genuine respectful opinion
oh and apologies for spelling errors this is a lot to type and i honedtly dont feel like fixing them
based, don’t need to apologise for it.im referring to the flag pack you made almost immediately after milkys pride flag packs, which at the time was a center of controversy. i know that was a while ago (years even), but, while i dont see the yknow, homophobic/kinda blatantly hateful- side of that all in you anymore, as i said, i still see some of the middle ground, devils advocate behavior at play.
it felt like a slight, and incredibly petty
Ahh actual flags instead of “flagging” gotcha.
Yeah that pack was 3 years ago. If that actually did offend people, then i apologise since I do not share any of those beliefs as said in the description of the figure. It was more of an experiment
mh well, it felt unnecessary but that a conversation for some other time, or never, it was so long ago its not really worth it. i had only learned about it recently so i suppose thats why i had a bit of a grudge about it. my apologies for that
you were so nonchalant about a literal basket case what else is there to say