Axis victory scenario
This is a group about what if the Axis won the war.
Posting German, Japanese, Italian Tanks, aircraft, ships, infantry and things like that if they won the war.
Feel free to join, if you joined of long enough, post often you will become mod
“We are focused on Japan as of right now”
(German)
Victory in Stalingrad, captured Moscow, landing of Normandy unsuccessful etc.
If you need inspiration:
Tanks
(Super) Heavy tank: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/maus
https://wot-blitz.fandom.com/wiki/E_100
https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/lowe
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MAIN FOCUS
(Japanese)
Won the battle of midway, Okinawa and Pearl Harbor attack successful etc.
If you need inspiration:
Tanks
Tank destroyer: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/ho-ri
Heavy tank: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/chi-se
50 tones or lower, most likely scraped, some imported from Germany
Medium tank: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/type-68
Light tank: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/chi-ri
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(Italian)
Won against Greece, invasion of Egypt fully successful etc.
If you need inspiration:
Tanks
Tank destroyer: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/minotauro
Medium tank: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/p43-bis
(concept in ww2)
Pinned by Hyper on 2023-07-02 03:13:40 UTC
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So first off if we’re gonna be making Alternate Post-WW2 vehicles, we have to make things from 1946 (immediately after the war). That sets the foundation for everything afterwards and actually helps a lot with later vehicles (it determines traits about their design that otherwise would need to be basically imagined from thin air)
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@torres69 it is really unfortunate that this group died. i mean, it was only two of us lol
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True we gotta restart it
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I JUST REALIZED I WAS CHECKING MENTIONS
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Thinking a revised version of this group.. anyone wants to join?
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Maybe
2023-11-20 14:49:52 UTC -
I might devour a can of pepsi
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There was apparently an activity in this group 5 days ago, but there was no new post in over a month, I assume someone posted something and deleted it?
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Ah, wait no it was me never mind
2023-08-08 09:46:30 UTC-
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2023-08-08 11:29:51 UTC
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Type 3 Chi-Nu profile
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Looks pretty good.
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Japanese medium tank
Type 3 Chi-Nu
WW2:
Type 97 Chi ha No. built: 1162 (including Chi ha Kai)
Type 89 Chi ro No. built: 404
Type 3 Chi nu No. built: 144~166
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Chi Nu
Gun: type 3 75mm tank gun
Before the war:
144~166
After the war:
900~1500 (estimate)
Since chi nu was already built tank wasn’t that expansive it is likely that Japan will keep producing it until they find a replacement.
In service: 1944~1960?
Location: probably all spread out in the Japanese empire
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Japanese heavy tank
Ju-To
WW1: type 91
Between WW1 and WW2: type 95
Type 91 No.built: 1 prototype
Type 95 No.built: 1~?
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Ju-To
Gun: 105mm 92L/45
Before the war:
(This concept never existed)
After the war:
20~200(estimate)
Even though this concept never existed, Japans lack of heavy tanks meant that they were in the need for heavy tanks to defend their land outside of their Japanese mainland. Since they can’t keep relying on importing from Germany, it is likely they managed to work with Germany and creating a proper Japanese heavy tank eventually.
In service: 1947~1960
Location: China, Korea, Manchuria, modern day Vietnam
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Panther Ausf F profile
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Oh, I didn’t notice this post. Pretty cool though. The muzzle brake is technically inaccurate due to the Panther F eliminating that, but it’s still very plausible.
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That does make more sense, but World of tanks did have the muzzle brack in some depictions and tank encyclopedia too, so I must’ve got it mixed up
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World of Tanks uses the Muzzle Brake for the L/100 gun I believe. The longer one.
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Axis victory scenario 2 years, 11 months ago -
Japanese Medium Tanks
WW2:
Chi-Ha, Chi-He, Chi-Nu, Chi-Ri Pre-Series
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__Chi-ri series__
Chi-Ri Plan 2, Chi-Ri Pre-series, Chi-Ri Production, Chi-Ri Shinhoto (1947), Chi-Ri Kai (1948)
Chi-Ri 88mm Testbed, “Ho-Ri IV” 120mm Assault Gun testbed
Gun: 75mm/88mm (Tested)/120mm (Ho-Ri IV)
During the war:
No.built: 16
After the war:
No.built: 310 (estimate)
In service: 1946~1953
Location: Japanese mainland
[*Only have an image for the Chi-Ri Plan 2 (It’s the only real variant on here) so far, will make the other Chi-Ri variants soon enough]
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I’ll be making all of the variants in this post shortly.
I’ll start with the Chi-Ri Plan 2 of course.
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@hypergidra Does this make sense for the Chi-Ri?
2023-07-03 23:34:52 UTC-
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Yeah it makes sense
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Japanese Panther Ausf F imported from Germany
Since Germany was planning sending Panthers to japan in WW2
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It suppose to be Tiger version japan or Type-Chi-ri
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Nice, you should add the rangefinders from the Schmalturm turret though (those like round objects on the turret side)
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Oh yeah, forgot about those
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@torres69
Japan did buy tanks from Germany being Tiger, Panther, Panzer III ausf N, Panzer III ausf J. But the tanks never made it to japan since both of them were busy fighting. Using this information I’ll probably make the Panther if you are ok with away
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And by “away” I was meant to say “that”
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A little late to this post but that was the base for my idea of Japan using imported German tanks.
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@hypergidra
Challenged myself to mimic your style to keep everything consistent (so our tanks could both be in the same animation) and I have an E-50 now. Probably will do Chi-Ri next.
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Mitsubishi Materials
2023-07-02 19:37:57 UTC-
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I have no idea why but I’m confused at this comment
My brain forgot to work ig
2023-07-02 19:42:49 UTC-
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Why was that funny lmao
2023-07-02 20:19:57 UTC
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@torres69
Thee is also ideas of modified Tiger I tanks like the HT NO VI and the fan concept ONI Tiger
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The Oni-Tiger seems unrealistic but the HT Model VI could work for Japan receiving a Tiger I.
2023-07-02 13:05:09 UTC
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Oh nice, did you make all of these?
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Also I think the Production for all of them should only last until around 1955, and Ho-Ri II starts 1947, and Ho-Ri III 1949. And maybe the up the numbers built.
Also I can add like decals and stuff if you want
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Also do you have any tanks I should work on? I was thinking I could make the German Tanks in Japanese service, or maybe the Chi-Ri and it’s upgrades?
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Not really, but I love the idea of German tanks in Japanese service, but then again it’s your choice
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Hm. I don’t really want to feel like I did nothing, so I’ll probably try the Chi-Ri later.
Or maybe I could do one or two of the German “gift” tanks, I was thinking a Vk 16.02 Leopard, E-50, E-75, a few Jagdpanzer E-50s, and maybe one E-100 (later rebuilt as a test Superheavy turreted tank destroyer before being disassembled and used for Japanese tank development [and some of its parts would be put in museums after being studied])
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I think the video 16.02 is unlikely, since Germany ended up not even building it themselves. But the E75 and the E50s and the E100 could happen and it’s is not a bad idea
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Yeah fair the Leo might not end up among said tanks, but if you think it’s a good idea, I’ll make one or two of them today I guess?
Also I have a few ideas for the Chi-Ri’s variants. Of course the Regular Chi-Ri, maybe a cheaper non-autoloaded Chi-Ri for export, a Chi-Ri with Night Vision gear reverse engineered from the Germans, and maybe a sloped armor Chi-Ri testbed? I was also thinking a “JagdChiRi” testbed to test out Jagdpanther-style Tank Destroyers, maybe?
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JagdChiRi and the export version of the chi ri sound like a really good idea I’m really exited to see E50 or the E75, or the E100 or whichever tank your going to choose make.
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Alright, thanks. I’ll probably make the E-50 first, not for any particular reason, I just personally like the E-50.
2023-07-02 13:43:52 UTC-
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Lol can’t blame you it looks sick
(Ps.its 11:06 pm where I live so I have to go to sleep. see you tomorrow)-
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(Alright, good night)
2023-07-02 14:08:20 UTC
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Oh, I was supposed to type 1957 not 1967 but yeah your right
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I feel like in the Late 50s Japan would create a lighter Tank Destroyer (maybe even an air-mobile Tankette like the Wiesel) with a decently sized recoilless rifle. They’d probably move to ATGMs after the recoilless rifle lives out its usefulness.
2023-07-02 13:22:59 UTC
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Lol yeah the thing is that I made all of these in 1 hour so it’s not good I am going to edit it and improve it later
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It’s good, they’re already good, just simple. So don’t think they’re bad or anything.
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Ty
2023-07-02 13:25:10 UTC
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Japanese tank destroyers
WW2:
Type 1 ho ni 1 no.built: 54
Type 1 ho ni 2 no.built: 31
Type 2 ho ni 3 no.built: 31
In total: 116
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Ho-ri series
Ho-ri, Ho-ri II, Ho-ri III
Anti tank gun prototype
Gun: 105mm
Before the war:
No.built: 0
After the war:
No.built: 30~150 in total (estimate)
Considering the fact that Japan doesn’t need tank destroyers it will probably me made in small quantities largely used in parades
In service: 1946?~1975
Location: Japanese mainland
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I believer the post-war Japanese tank Arsenal should be mainly consisted of a “Big 4”
The Big 4 being the Ke-Ho, Chi-ri II, Ho-Ri Production, and perhaps imported and modified King Tigers/E-75s or some sort of domestically-produced Heavy.
Ke-Ho – A light tank that would be relatively bad compared to the other lights in the world, the M24 Chaffee would far exceed it, but Japan would be using the Ke-Ho for Recon until the Early 50s. The Ke-Ho would be replaced in every other role by a vehicle designed to carry a short 75mm but still move quickly, like the American M24 Chaffee but for Japan.
Chi-Ri – The Medium/MBT for Japan’s tank force, unimpressive armor, but good mobility with a few upgrades and an autoloaded gun. It would help develop a tank philosophy of lighter MBTs that can move quickly and over treacherous terrain, but still pack a punch with autoloaded cannons.
Ho-Ri – Although not a path Japan would develop as much as their MBTs, TDs would technically exist into the Modern Day in a far different form. Japan would learn from their heavy Ho-Ri tanks and invest into recoilless rifles in light vehicles far more suited for the Pacific islands Japan would control. Plus it’d allow to flank heavier enemy vehicles and destroy them at their weakest points.
The currently undecided Heavy Tank – Would serve as a lesson of what not to do in the future, heavy tanks would be very unsuited for the Japanese terrain, and would probably get bogged down even more on the Japanese home islands than they did in Europe. So Japan would end up scrapping said heavy tanks but reusing their weapon tech and modules (and even the very steel that made their hulls) to make new, more suited vehicles. Also heavy tank engines being typically large would also help a lot with lighter medium tanks/MBTs because it’d allow them to go way faster than they could using a smaller engine.
Possibly something like the Ju-to or the Chi-se for the heavy, Japan was not used to heavies as you mentioned because of their terrain, one of the possible reasons that it was not as good as the western counterparts. Possibly just being experiments or prototypes or scraped concepts and later getting replaced by imported German heavies (Lowe, tiger 2, E75) though it’s was very few
I was thinking Japan, being Allies with Germany, was sent a few German E-75s and other vehicles as a sort of “gift” for their assistance in WW2. So Japan would have a bunch of at first pretty useless Heavy Tanks, a few Heavy Tank Destroyers, some of the World’s largest Medium Tanks, and a very small sum of Light Tanks. But, unanticipated by the Germans, most of said tanks (save for a few that went to museums or parades) were disassembled and reverse engineered by the Japanese, sending Japanese tank doctrine forward on a new, more advanced path. Before that, Japan would be stuck in their Interwar “Infantry Support Tank” ideal, and would neglect to make anything more multi role than the Chi-Ri, which, while a decent vehicle for the time with its own innovative systems, would be poor at frontline fighting with how horrible its armor is. Though it would be light and also awaken Japan to alternative ways to protect a vehicle, which they would explore especially in the 80s and beyond with ERA and APS.
Maybe the Chi-Se is developed as an experimental run to test the feasibility of a Heavy but gets pretty much left to rot in a bunker somewhere in a random base because it’s not feasible to operate a 50+ ton heavy tank on Japanese soil?
Yeah, not only the mountainous terrain, the weight of the heavy tanks would be a problem since most bridges in Japan can’t withstand the force of something that heavy and the 4th generation type 10 tank which is around 40~48 ton tank (which is very light compared to the other MBTs and lighter than a Tiger ) needs to be disassembled (the chassis and the turret) to be transported by a train because of its weight
Keep in mind that most tanks will be transported via trains in case for war and japanese trains are small when it comes to size so the Japanese tanks needs to be relatively small or it will be too big for Trains to transport in case for war
Yeah, maybe the heaviest Japanese tanks get after the Heavy Tank testing is 50 tons, and even 50 would probably be a little much.