Yea that probably won’t happen. I’m an optimist, but also a realist. The guy hates me and everything about me. He hates me for being “too snobby” even though I’m not at all. He hates me for being “too arrogant” even though, once again, I’m not at all. (Seriously the dude needs to learn what that means) He even hates me for being “too intelligent” because I use long paragraphs and I can destroy any argument he makes. He’s incredibly petty like that, and I’ve tried time and time again to establish common ground but the dude just will not accept that he can be wrong sometimes, he’d just rather come up with excuses.
Honestly, it would probably escalate from “making things better” to an all out insult-fest. (With all the insults coming from him, mind you. He has a knack for using insults instead of arguments.) I’d like to make things better, I really would, and I’m willing to try to see his perspective and have an open mind, but not until he can do the same.
Replying to:dezwayepitaph, though not fully verifiable that he meant it, has a
Every time he does do that, it’s pretty much a generalization, and he hasn’t ever really apologized for it either. He understands “he can be mean” but he’s never really genuinely said sorry for it, and he has said before that “he can be wrong” in general but he’ll never admit to being wrong in any specific way.
Replying to:Toxic911 AnimationsYea that probably won’t happen. I’m an optimist, but also a
He’s trying to become better but your pushing him away. You if he’s apologizing to you then you have to do the same you put him through some depression lately and he needed to take a break from the website because of what happened. Now he’s the tricky part he wants us to help him by having us remind him that he promised not to bash on figs but I honestly don’t know how that will work.
Replying to:raider99He's trying to become better but your pushing him away. You
It obviously won’t work lmao. This is just yet another time where Epitaph tries to garner pity for a while then resumes his normal activity. A couple things.
1. He clearly isn’t trying to become better. To try to become better would first require effort to gain self-awareness on the wrongs. He says “he’s wrong” but he’ll never admit to anything specifically, which just shows how little he actually cares. And I’m not pushing him away, I never have. I have always tried to help, but he has actually been the one to push me away time and time again because “he has no respect for me at all.” You’ll find that a majority of the problems between the two of us originate completely from Epitaph.
2. I have never recieved any apologies from him. In addition, I am not required to apologize back if he ever does “apologize.”
3. Is all the bullying and depression he caused in the community immediately made up for simply because he’s sad too? The jerk is narrow-minded, he thinks everyone was bullying him when in reality they were just standing up for themselves after they’ve been hurt by Epitaph so many times. These are but few of the consequences for the depression and anger he has placed in the minds of many community members.
4. He isn’t willing to improve, he just wants others to drag him along. He hasn’t displayed the willingness to improve, he only wishes to do so simply because of the negative backlash and for reputation reasons. There is nothing genuine in that. Besides, I’ve already shown him all the multiple wrongs he constantly commits, and he just responds with stuff like “irrelevant scarf user” and “you disgust me.” We aren’t obliged to help him. We can, but we don’t need to. I’ve tried helping in the past, I’ve tried bridging every gap but Epitaph has provoked the majority of our confrontations. I won’t waste my time on a lost cause because he can’t “handle criticism.”
Replying to:VamrackDammit i don't know what to do.im very confused.
Guess Who I just lost all respect for…
Toxic, you’re completely out of hand.
Epitaph doesn’t want an apology, he wants you to stop.
On Discord, Epitaph has given us ways to help him.
He said, and I quote: “If you notice me attempting to attack a Scarfie or anything like that, don’t tell me to stop, don’t do that, tell me that i promised to stop. I need to just give myself the routine to stop caring about Scarfies and Base bois. You guys need to help me so i can help you. I will still provide criticism to those who ask. If i sound assholey to them, that’s just cause they asked for it.”
Replying to:████████ ██my actions are my own.
If I explode at you, that’s my fault.
But it becomes everyone’s once you overuse and abuse it. That’s why I wanted epitaph punished because of the cycle of abuse. I went at it the wrong way and did what I swore to stop
Replying to:████████ ██Guess Who I just lost all respect for...
Toxic, you’re comp
How have I “gotten out of hand?” You say this, but provide nothing of it besides epitaph talking about ways to change. I think I’m being rather reasonable and mature about this, really. If I was immature, I would have been spouting tons of insults at Epitaph for all the rumors and lies he’s spread about me.
First off, the apology thing was about Epitaph apologizing to me. I haven’t done anything to him to warrant an apology. But he has ridiculed me behind my back, openly insulted me without any basis for doing so, and all around has been a jerk to me. I think that deserves an apology.
Epitaph has talked about how he could improve. But it’s not an effort on his part, it’s the community being forced to remind him that he promised. I can understand that being necessary for only a little while, but I think it might just have to be all the time, since Epitaph has exhibited no effort to change his views that base users are automatically “inferior and idiotic.”
Please, I really don’t want to quarrel or anything. I just want to reach a common understanding. So please refrain from such comments like “grow the f*ck up and move on” without having solid evidence to require such a statement.
Replying to:Toxic911 AnimationsIt obviously won’t work lmao. This is just yet another time
What the heck Toxic, you are actually bullying at this point. I don’t think you should do this, for all of SN, you’ve contributing the drama. Epitaph actually has been wanting change and you give no craps. You are ignoring what he was saying and trying to do. Quit it for the love of god, please
Replying to:Arch HorriganWhat the heck Toxic, you are actually bullying at this point
This isn’t bullying at all. This is using prior evidence and events to determine a conclusion. Bullying would be constantly attacking someone with insults, ridiculing them in front of everyone. Making a person feel less than human. Like they’re meaningless. A bully lacks confidence, and thus must take it by bringing other people down to their level through being mean to them.
It’s strange that Epitaph exhibits that behavior surprisingly frequently.
I’m not ignoring what he’s saying. I do believe Epitaph wants to change. I just don’t believe Epitaph will put in the effort to do so. This has happened before, mind you. Drama, then epitaph releasing an apology talking about how he’s sorry and that he’ll change for the better, 1 week of smiley faces, then back to same old bullying. I want that cycle to end. I want Epitaph to improve, and I want the community to improve. I want this place to be filled with acceptance and kindness. I just find it hard to believe that, given all the history before, Epitaph would be able to completely change for the better. Though I’d love for that to happen.
Replying to:Toxic911 AnimationsIt obviously won’t work lmao. This is just yet another time
You have been affecting Epitaph so much, it got him into a depression. You back the problem away from you. Epitaph is leaving Stick Nodes and will be gone until you explain your stuff and set out your differences, and act actually mature. You not listening and ignoring will do nothing but make the problem worse.
Replying to:Arch HorriganYou have been affecting Epitaph so much, it got him into a d
I have been mature in all of our discussions. Epitaph hasn’t lol. He has provoked the majority of all our problems by mindlessly insulting and ridiculing me while I was trying to establish a factual understanding. I have been listening, but I’ve certainly been trying to do things to improve the community.
Depression is a horrible thing. I know that personally. I would never wish it upon another person. Not even Epitaph. While I understand that Epitaph having such depression is just horrible, I don’t think it makes up for all the depression he caused in the community. He’s bullied many other people here, and many of them have become depressed and angry because of his actions. I think Epitaph just needs to do more to make up for the pain he caused in the past. “Being sorry” doesn’t quite fix the emotional stress he has caused in other people.
Yea that probably won’t happen. I’m an optimist, but also a realist. The guy hates me and everything about me. He hates me for being “too snobby” even though I’m not at all. He hates me for being “too arrogant” even though, once again, I’m not at all. (Seriously the dude needs to learn what that means) He even hates me for being “too intelligent” because I use long paragraphs and I can destroy any argument he makes. He’s incredibly petty like that, and I’ve tried time and time again to establish common ground but the dude just will not accept that he can be wrong sometimes, he’d just rather come up with excuses.
Honestly, it would probably escalate from “making things better” to an all out insult-fest. (With all the insults coming from him, mind you. He has a knack for using insults instead of arguments.) I’d like to make things better, I really would, and I’m willing to try to see his perspective and have an open mind, but not until he can do the same.
epitaph, though not fully verifiable that he meant it, has admitted that he is wrong and mean sometimes
just a little thing
Every time he does do that, it’s pretty much a generalization, and he hasn’t ever really apologized for it either. He understands “he can be mean” but he’s never really genuinely said sorry for it, and he has said before that “he can be wrong” in general but he’ll never admit to being wrong in any specific way.
y u so s m a r t boi
it makes my brain want to go kablooey
(that’s a good thing)
He’s trying to become better but your pushing him away. You if he’s apologizing to you then you have to do the same you put him through some depression lately and he needed to take a break from the website because of what happened. Now he’s the tricky part he wants us to help him by having us remind him that he promised not to bash on figs but I honestly don’t know how that will work.
It obviously won’t work lmao. This is just yet another time where Epitaph tries to garner pity for a while then resumes his normal activity. A couple things.
1. He clearly isn’t trying to become better. To try to become better would first require effort to gain self-awareness on the wrongs. He says “he’s wrong” but he’ll never admit to anything specifically, which just shows how little he actually cares. And I’m not pushing him away, I never have. I have always tried to help, but he has actually been the one to push me away time and time again because “he has no respect for me at all.” You’ll find that a majority of the problems between the two of us originate completely from Epitaph.
2. I have never recieved any apologies from him. In addition, I am not required to apologize back if he ever does “apologize.”
3. Is all the bullying and depression he caused in the community immediately made up for simply because he’s sad too? The jerk is narrow-minded, he thinks everyone was bullying him when in reality they were just standing up for themselves after they’ve been hurt by Epitaph so many times. These are but few of the consequences for the depression and anger he has placed in the minds of many community members.
4. He isn’t willing to improve, he just wants others to drag him along. He hasn’t displayed the willingness to improve, he only wishes to do so simply because of the negative backlash and for reputation reasons. There is nothing genuine in that. Besides, I’ve already shown him all the multiple wrongs he constantly commits, and he just responds with stuff like “irrelevant scarf user” and “you disgust me.” We aren’t obliged to help him. We can, but we don’t need to. I’ve tried helping in the past, I’ve tried bridging every gap but Epitaph has provoked the majority of our confrontations. I won’t waste my time on a lost cause because he can’t “handle criticism.”
Dammit i don’t know what to do.im very confused.
Guess Who I just lost all respect for…
Toxic, you’re completely out of hand.
Epitaph doesn’t want an apology, he wants you to stop.
On Discord, Epitaph has given us ways to help him.
He said, and I quote: “If you notice me attempting to attack a Scarfie or anything like that, don’t tell me to stop, don’t do that, tell me that i promised to stop. I need to just give myself the routine to stop caring about Scarfies and Base bois. You guys need to help me so i can help you. I will still provide criticism to those who ask. If i sound assholey to them, that’s just cause they asked for it.”
So I need you to grow the f*ck up and move on.
Dammit no…no
I already told him about the promise thing
They asked for is is @sshole behavior
shut the f*ck up Ramox. I new your apology was too good to be true
Come on dude, lets not turn on each other.
I’ve never liked ramox, so i’m not “turning” on him
No but we are a peice of the community
I apologize for the way I went about and used myself. I did not say your actions were good . 2 very different things
Oh and my default response for those who tell me to shut up. Make me
my actions are my own.
If I explode at you, that’s my fault.
My Hot Headedness is my problem
But it becomes everyone’s once you overuse and abuse it. That’s why I wanted epitaph punished because of the cycle of abuse. I went at it the wrong way and did what I swore to stop
Me getting angry isn’t something I can abuse until i can control it, which is something that cannot do
Anger is the start. But it must be controlled or heavily fined as we humans don’t act on anger well
How have I “gotten out of hand?” You say this, but provide nothing of it besides epitaph talking about ways to change. I think I’m being rather reasonable and mature about this, really. If I was immature, I would have been spouting tons of insults at Epitaph for all the rumors and lies he’s spread about me.
First off, the apology thing was about Epitaph apologizing to me. I haven’t done anything to him to warrant an apology. But he has ridiculed me behind my back, openly insulted me without any basis for doing so, and all around has been a jerk to me. I think that deserves an apology.
Epitaph has talked about how he could improve. But it’s not an effort on his part, it’s the community being forced to remind him that he promised. I can understand that being necessary for only a little while, but I think it might just have to be all the time, since Epitaph has exhibited no effort to change his views that base users are automatically “inferior and idiotic.”
Please, I really don’t want to quarrel or anything. I just want to reach a common understanding. So please refrain from such comments like “grow the f*ck up and move on” without having solid evidence to require such a statement.
What the heck Toxic, you are actually bullying at this point. I don’t think you should do this, for all of SN, you’ve contributing the drama. Epitaph actually has been wanting change and you give no craps. You are ignoring what he was saying and trying to do. Quit it for the love of god, please
This isn’t bullying at all. This is using prior evidence and events to determine a conclusion. Bullying would be constantly attacking someone with insults, ridiculing them in front of everyone. Making a person feel less than human. Like they’re meaningless. A bully lacks confidence, and thus must take it by bringing other people down to their level through being mean to them.
It’s strange that Epitaph exhibits that behavior surprisingly frequently.
I’m not ignoring what he’s saying. I do believe Epitaph wants to change. I just don’t believe Epitaph will put in the effort to do so. This has happened before, mind you. Drama, then epitaph releasing an apology talking about how he’s sorry and that he’ll change for the better, 1 week of smiley faces, then back to same old bullying. I want that cycle to end. I want Epitaph to improve, and I want the community to improve. I want this place to be filled with acceptance and kindness. I just find it hard to believe that, given all the history before, Epitaph would be able to completely change for the better. Though I’d love for that to happen.
Toxic, I want to speak with you in private, because what you have done… Its just gross
You have been affecting Epitaph so much, it got him into a depression. You back the problem away from you. Epitaph is leaving Stick Nodes and will be gone until you explain your stuff and set out your differences, and act actually mature. You not listening and ignoring will do nothing but make the problem worse.
Prove toxic wrong with facts and evidence
Then he will listen
I have been mature in all of our discussions. Epitaph hasn’t lol. He has provoked the majority of all our problems by mindlessly insulting and ridiculing me while I was trying to establish a factual understanding. I have been listening, but I’ve certainly been trying to do things to improve the community.
Depression is a horrible thing. I know that personally. I would never wish it upon another person. Not even Epitaph. While I understand that Epitaph having such depression is just horrible, I don’t think it makes up for all the depression he caused in the community. He’s bullied many other people here, and many of them have become depressed and angry because of his actions. I think Epitaph just needs to do more to make up for the pain he caused in the past. “Being sorry” doesn’t quite fix the emotional stress he has caused in other people.