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    Explosive Bulletoccifercrusaderuc-votersubscriberlegendary-noderfeatured-lvl3uc-winner-lvl4 2024-10-10 05:12:11 UTC

    Looked at my notifications with 6 replies all from people who I have run into a communication problem with.
    Mark all as read. There is a point where you have to back off. Doesn’t matter how civilized you might be, how flawed your approach to an issue is and what you admit or say. The second everyone is in a different lane, there is no point in trying to debate or argue. I learned that this past week.

    Every time I have looked at this site in the past year I don’t leave with a smile on my face or excitement on what is next to come. What I observe is newcomers with messy work getting bodied rather than taken under the wing of people. People like Gigan fanning flames on the occasional drama and developing bad views of people and relaying it onto others. Full blown smear posts about the most trivial things, bringing up old dirt out of nowhere. I was next on the list for that.

    First hand I am confused where it comes from. Out of all the things I have done which I ain’t proud of, ego wasn’t ever on the list. More what comes up is my old bluntness, former lack of understanding of various things, a tone that would often come off as rude until I later read it. You are all well aware of the post that came up recently.

    I will put right up front, my first comments being completely confused of the narcissist accusation at me made sense and were balanced. Some of my posts after that fall off. The brutal reality is there is a way higher bar set for me than other people. A single trivial mistake makes me look like an ass and hypocritical way more than a person on this site who does that on a daily basis. I corrected myself when called out, not enough.

    Self reflection over the past couple days reminded me where I fall short, but also where this site has a negative impact on everyone who uses it. It used to consist of people with big projects, showcasing, getting feedback and it was mostly civil. People who were dicks when giving criticism where shunned like Epitaph. There was a bar set for respect among people. That doesn’t exist anymore and is celebrated.

    Despite a desperate attempt to figure out where this ugly painting of my ego has come from, everything just got hazier. No points got across, no common ground was found, I never achieved what I thought I could achieve by first commenting on the childishness of the original post, followed by the comment from an old friend. Included in the friends comment was an insult and a bunch of stuff which I vaguely can get the idea where it comes from, but still unsure where it comes from.

    Everything I tried to do turned into a mess despite being civil to start off with. Gigan drew my attention to the post with a mention in what I believe was his typical joking manner. But before I could even reply to anything, he starts slamming me based on the accusations made. I retaliated, wrong move.
    Thoughts, who instead of addressing how he got to a point of disliking me and getting the idea of me being a narcissist, picked apart my message. I let him drag me off what I was looking for. Replying whether I had good intention or not was a bad move. I fed a ragebait post.

    It went from looking for *what is going on?* to people digging through everything I say here and on discord to vilify me. The most that was got was the comment of “If I pulled what Epitaph did and started making his mistake, people would done less to attack me than they have over misunderstood details in my description and videos.”
    An exaggeration was made to make a point and put it into perspective yet it got picked apart as “EB thinks being egotistical is worse than pedophilia” somehow. There is no win, no conversation here. This is taking a name and dragging it through the dirt starting with a dated observation of who I once was.

    No my approach was not perfect, but it clarified to me there is an issue with this site. You have people like Tastylemon, Ralph and Arcionek who actually make the place welcoming and provide a voice of reason when it is needed most. They post cool stuff and after conversing with them or viewing their posts, you leave with something positive.
    Then you have everything else. Negativity.

    People who I have crossed in a bad way left the site as well as people who I am great friends with. They moved to platforms like Twitter and Discord which are cesspools of toxicity to get away from the mess that is this sites culture.

    Something needs to change. That includes me. I want to ditch this site and not come back right now, but there are people who really try here. I don’t want to leave them on their own. There was so much that was great here. It was a functional animation community, not Reddit, 4chan or Twitter.
    The negativity needs to be drowned out. Instead of ripping into everything that is wrong and bringing in personal attacks, there needs to be a collective effort to bring up everything that is right.

    Tastylemons daily log should be full of cool shit and development, not fights between people.

    From here on I will not entertain any more drama and petty arguments.
    Go ahead and post a couple paragraphs ripping into me here. I will not reply with anything to entertain it.
    I’m well aware people hate me here. I don’t care about who and why anymore. I want to bring back what made this site great. Repair a broken community. Re-establish the standard for behavior. I owe it for where I fall short. I will try and post more. My focus will be the stuff people have been doing. Bringing attention to cool stuff I see in the community and giving proper feedback and calling out posts that should not be made.
    I will do my best, but if everyone regardless of stance can do the same, something can be achieved here. Everyone wins.

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      2024-10-10 05:27:11 UTC 3
      • Lmao. Tldr: End the negative posts and witch hunts. Post cool stuff and set a standard for behavior that leaves people with a smile on their face.

        2024-10-10 05:29:06 UTC 10
    • You yap too much, no one is supposed to win anything homeboy

      Here’s a Miata

      (They’re talking about oil)

      2024-10-10 07:11:51 UTC 6
    • I’ll be honest, what you’re saying I 100% agree with. The state of the site for dramas and unnecessary conflict is worse than ever and as you said is celebrated. It comes down to two things I believe.

      1. No regard for making the site better and instead wanting drama and conflict for something to talk about, the situation with Cuss, Mellow etc made me realise that and I was incredibly disappointed, no apologies, no regard, no care. Anyone I speak to about it regarding why it’s wrong does not see eye to eye with me meaning how prevalent and domineering Gigan’s friendcircle is and how their approach to the site has altered the way people need to think and act in order to not be shunned.

      2. People here act the way they do, act edgy, act difficult to speak to and prompt these dramas, anger and hatred because that is what they feel and rather than using the site for a means to project something more than those feelings, they use it to project and emphasise only that. Now is the time for these people to act like assholes and because it’s got some humour value or because we get frustrated with the irritating users here and there, it’s accepted.

      Just watch what these posts will bring, the disrespect, disregard will be there because unless real change is made nothing good is to come. For me personally this whole dilemma has been a wake up call to realise what is to be accepted and supported and what isn’t. It’s going to be messy but I have nothing to prove to these people I thought were able to see eye to eye with me. I won’t lie I’ve been preparing to lay down my cards right so within the span of the next month or two I’m going to leave the site potentially forever, it’s that or either try and change the site into what it can and should be. If that should fail than I am to leave this place, happily.

      2024-10-10 11:33:05 UTC 14
      • Replying to: Tastylemon16I’ll be honest, what you’re saying I 100% agree with. The st

        Anyone I speak to about it regarding why it’s wrong does not see eye to eye with me meaning how prevalent and domineering Gigan’s friendcircle is.

        Well I mean for the record I’m apart of that friend circle and I don’t really like that joke they did so like, I don’t think it’s a friendcircle thing like you’re phrasing it, making it out to be on our group, is a little meh maybe? Idk, maybe I misunderstand you

        1. No regard for making the site better and instead wanting drama and conflict for something to talk about, the situation with Cuss, Mellow etc made me realise that and I was incredibly disappointed, no apologies, no regard, no care.

        Not that I disagree with your statement on the status of drama in this site, but like I feel that that is a misinterpretation of the Cuss and Mellow thing, from what I read, the “drama” joke was kind of on the nose and obviously a joke, and I think they did explain it in the end for those that misunderstood, and there were apologies for when it was needed, wasn’t there?
        not that I think they should’ve done it in the first place but I feel you misrepresent it? I dunno though I guess

        Site does suck balls in regards to drama tho I agree with you there 🫠

        I’m stupid though so maybe I am wrong here who knows
        Also I’m not good with words so maybe I make no sense

        2024-10-10 11:43:35 UTC 10
      • Replying to: Tastylemon16I’ll be honest, what you’re saying I 100% agree with. The st

        What would cuss and mellow even apologize for-

        It was sarcasm
        Like , mellow saying they believe women should starve is the most obvious joke

        I literally had chatgbt make all my responses
        All of which had STAGE directions on them 😭
        Mellow literally replied with shadow in a thong

        2024-10-10 12:43:27 UTC 7
        • Replying to: 🎄🏳️‍⚧️René (F)🏳️‍⚧️🎄What would cuss and mellow even apologize for- It was sarca

          And as milky said, don’t say Gigans group

          I didn’t even come up with that gag that was cuss and mellow first and foremost

          Milky , Elena , Guest , Kz , Larry , Swift , Thoughts , Scott , CWD , InfiniteGuess , Jaaz , Maawoz , Orange , Red , Redhood , FireSword , Reignraider , Stick ,Lucky , and rey

          None of them were part of it

          I know it’s butt fuck easy for you to name drop “Gigan’s cult” “Gigan’s group” , whatever
          But you’re not gonna slander a ton of good people , a good handful of which ain’t even active , and shove them alongside antics 3 of us committed

          It may seem like a small point to you but nobody wants to see a snot nose dumbass put a target on other’s back as a joke
          If that post was a problem for you then legitimately any form of sarcasm is 😭

          2024-10-10 12:48:38 UTC 8
        • Replying to: 🎄🏳️‍⚧️René (F)🏳️‍⚧️🎄What would cuss and mellow even apologize for- It was sarca

          I guess, to give some credit, lemon may not like it by product of being a post that starts a “drama” sarcasm/joke or not, which is a fair take, it’s kind of like when you guys did that other joke drama post once, which was kinda ill sighted, I’m not lemon though so I don’t know for sure, and again i don’t agree with how he’s representing it really, there are better examples of what he’s saying I think than the cuss and mellow thing

          2024-10-10 12:51:23 UTC 6
          • Replying to: Milky (but still gay)I guess, to give some credit, lemon may not like it by produ

            It’s not that it was a bad joke or anything, it’s that it was looking for attention and when it got that attention and when people were fooled by it, they were strung up for it. That’s my problem with it, and I will say Gigan’s friends because in this instance that’s exactly whom the issue lie with. Obviously not everyone who are friends with or who affiliate with him are scoundrels but a good majority of the people he is friends with follow the same mindset and ideas as him, if they didn’t why would they be his friends, common ground basically.

            I’m willing to see each side to whatever scenario but in this instance many different involved parties have already left their testament to the situation and it’s clear to me there is no difference.

            For you yourself Milky I can’t say that you are siding with them, you’ve always been a pretty good voice of judgment in these scenarios nor do you seem like you’re looking for trouble but that’s where the difference is, for those that are, that’s who I take issue with.

            This response isn’t aimed at just you Milky either, it’s for Gigan and anyone else concerned too.

            2024-10-10 12:59:18 UTC 8
            • Replying to: Tastylemon16It’s not that it was a bad joke or anything, it’s that it wa

              It’s not that it was a bad joke or anything, it’s that it was looking for attention and when it got that attention and when people were fooled by it, they were strung up for it. That’s my problem with it,

              Fair enough, I don’t agree with the doing of the joke, it was kinda dumb, and I wasn’t there for most of it, so I don’t know what stringing up you are referring to, but there were apologies to some at least, if memory serves, idk tho

              and I will say Gigan’s friends because in this instance that’s exactly whom the issue lie with. Obviously not everyone who are friends with or who affiliate with him are scoundrels but a good majority of the people he is friends with follow the same mindset and ideas as him, if they didn’t why would they be his friends, common ground basically.

              fair enough I guess , it just rubbed me wrong as it came across as a generalizing
              I do disagree with the idea that, many in the group would act or think like Gigan, we are a pretty diverse group and many different ideas for the most part
              I for one do not vibe with her more “reactionary” (I don’t have a better term) things to drama and such, or insults and the like, but that’s just me I guess

              For you yourself Milky I can’t say that you are siding with them, you’ve always been a pretty good voice of judgment in these scenarios nor do you seem like you’re looking for trouble but that’s where the difference is, for those that are, that’s who I take issue with.

              That’s fair enough, I don’t know if cuss and mellow or gigan fall under that category per say, they are just stupid with their jokes, and sometimes do stupid things, I dunno, gigan can do things I don’t like but I wouldn’t describe her as looking for trouble really
              the site does have many issues , I agree with you there, I just don’t know if your reasonings are so accurate to the problem itself, surely there are better examples maybe? mostly just on the cuss and mellow stuff, the EB stuff I agree on, was very stupid

              Anyway, I’d be sad to see you leave but it would be understandable given the state of things at times, all well such is life I guess
              Idk I’m not good with words

              2024-10-10 13:09:52 UTC 8
              • Replying to: Milky (but still gay)>It’s not that it was a bad joke or anything, it’s that i

                No it made enough sense, I see what you’re getting at.

                As mentioned, I’m willing to hear different sides to any scenario so I will aim to remain objective but should any rules be broken, unnecessary hatred given ( just in general ) then of course it will be flagged.

                I just don’t want the same awful culture of negativity to keep spreading, it’s not constructive, it doesn’t help growth, it just keeps a select few entertained. If I and others dedicate the way they do to this place, Site Log, DWD, Moderator then it’s fair that I’d want to see this place take a turn for the better than for the worse, if that means costing me my reputation from some I believed to be trustworthy or my friends, then I will do exactly that.

                If we cant cultivate the right change I’m hoping for, I will just leave this place as it does no good by me and it’s not worth me dedicating to. I came to this place because I had no respect for myself, I wanted a chance to do what I wanted and initially I expected nothing from it, but as I shared my views and became accepted, it gave me a new faith in myself I never had, I want that for all the aspiring possibly great users who come to this place, not for them to be pushed down and neglected.

                2024-10-10 13:21:14 UTC 8
                • Replying to: Tastylemon16No it made enough sense, I see what you’re getting at. As m

                  I will aim to remain objective but should any rules be broken, unnecessary hatred given ( just in general ) then of course it will be flagged.

                  this is fair, just maybe don’t be tooo trigger happy, not saying you are like that but just you know, it would be a little annoying I guess, dunno if that sounds rude but idk how else to phrase it 🫠

                  If I and others dedicate the way they do to this place, Site Log, DWD, Moderator then it’s fair that I’d want to see this place take a turn for the better than for the worse, if that means costing me my reputation from some I believed to be trustworthy or my friends, then I will do exactly that.

                  Yes this is completely fair, it makes sense ti want to see it be better

                  Anyway
                  yes I agree with your statements as a whole, even if parts I may disagree with

                  This site has a huge issue with drama and negativity, sure some may “deserve” such negativity if they’re assholes or bigots but I don’t like that there is a standard of new users being shat on, (I’ve seen this sentiment around, people being like how I was shat on, it’s just how it be) especially since most are dumb kids , it’s better to ignore them if they annoy you, I’ve always thought that, it’s horrible that we have such a standard I think
                  And I’m not saying that no one deserves call outs and no one deserves to be taken down a peg, but I imagine we should give newer users some grace, or something
                  I dunno, words are difficult, hopefully I make some sense here

                  Sticknodes helped me meet a lot of good friends I hold dear, I think it would be nice if it helped be that for others, even if it’s kind of a shit hole at times, I think it has some good, ideally anyway

                  I’m not around so often, but I will try to help push that change forward, even if only a little bit
                  I think it would be a good change to cultivate

                  2024-10-10 13:27:06 UTC 8
            • Replying to: Tastylemon16It’s not that it was a bad joke or anything, it’s that it wa

              If I’m one of the people you’re talking about here, I don’t believe you know me well enough to assume that I follow the same ideas and beliefs as Gigan. Yes, I am fully her friend. Yes, we do agree at times. But no, I’m not a mindset-slave to her, nor do I take action in her example. And we especially don’t agree all of the time.

              Edit: I really should add just to make sure this is REALLY clear, even to this day I still find myself being critical of Gigan’s actions, some facets of her mindset, and her approach to things. There is way in which she does thing that I do believe contributed to the fall of this place, mostly because it seems infectious enough for people to follow after, for whatever reason. None of this makes her any less of a friend to me, but SERIOUSLY don’t assume that I think in any way like her, because I’m not her.

              If what we did is truly a symptom of this site and its culture’s wider problems, then I really do wonder what the hell the actual big problems look like, because I personally think it’s a pretty weak signifier in comparison to literally everything else that this place has been through. As far as I can tell, besides one person who we apologised to and cleared up misunderstandings with, no one else has taken this so strongly.

              But, I’m not just here to defend my position, because I do agree with where you’re coming from, at least partly. This place, and its culture, has its fair share of problems, and I won’t deny that I’ve contributed to those problems a few times, which I have learnt (and am learning) from and rectified. I have never enjoyed the fact that there’s this general animosity to new users who are obviously kids, even if they get a little bit annoying. I don’t see why they can’t be ignored, or what joy there is to get from putting them down.

              And then you have some of your mainstay users who present a problem in their own right. It gets to their head a little bit and they just come off as totally disrespectful. There’s very little standard of mutual, or even self-respect UNLESS you know that person and you think that they’re your friend. Otherwise you just totally walk all over them.
              Honestly, it’s really no wonder that we keep seeing the same old faces again and again, and some of the more prominent users decide to stay in their own little corners on Discord or anywhere else.

              Why would you want to be here if everyone’s attitude stinks and they just want to push you out? This place wasn’t constructed for a purpose like that, but it’s only become more like that as time has gone on.

              But, that’s about as far as my sympathies and concerns go. Anything else I’m indifferent to, and if I’m in disagreement, I’ll tell you so.

              2024-10-10 14:23:49 UTC 6
      • Replying to: Tastylemon16I’ll be honest, what you’re saying I 100% agree with. The st

        Full on agreement

        2024-10-10 13:44:41 UTC 6
      • Replying to: Tastylemon16I’ll be honest, what you’re saying I 100% agree with. The st

        I am right with you. I won’t give up this site without doing my part to fix it.
        The issue like you said falls on the fact nobody can see eye to eye.
        Everytime I get into an argument with people, even if they were an absolute ass to me and the argument just keeps branching out, I try and change course to find that common ground to resolve the issue. It nearly works every time to end stuff on a good note.

        This last fight I tried to do that. It failed and that tells me everything. It’s either fanaticism or just pure hatred that blinds these people. Instead of finding what each side is about, they went tribal. The mentality of I am right and you are wrong.

        And like you said, that friendcircle of Gigans is festering. What links those people is the drama I feel. It shouldn’t be that way. It should exist under a more positive light.

        We got our work cut out evidently enough though.
        Let’s make a good effort to save what we had. Return things to a golden era.

        2024-10-11 03:25:56 UTC 1
    • why didnt this get locked

      2024-10-10 14:44:18 UTC 4
      • Replying to: SillyWizard01why didnt this get locked

        It’s classy and civil

        2024-10-10 15:21:40 UTC 3
      • Replying to: SillyWizard01why didnt this get locked

        EB deserves a say considering he’s the one getting the shit for it. The old one I locked was because people were giving their opinion two days after it had been discussed. We don’t know the ins and outs so how can we be so critical? It’s just deriving from a few accounts which even then is based around an opinion, even the post is an opinion than it is fact.

        If the issue was so important, moderation and more could have occurred like it did with Epitaph and Mrk. Of course they were pedos but the point is, not everyone needs to have a say. Most of it is re-run opinions anyway, no value, if there is something truly important it would get looked into, given it was mentioned and appealed.

        2024-10-10 16:48:47 UTC 6
        • Replying to: Tastylemon16EB deserves a say considering he’s the one getting the shit

          fair
          i guess as damon said, this is civil

          2024-10-10 17:07:25 UTC 3