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Ralph (Developer)
2019-08-14 13:23:18 UTC @redtheanimator @thephantombeast @dezway @arcionek too i guess and also @epitaph200 @everyoneelse
okay so here’s what im learning…I need to change the server software to “pocketmine” vs just plain-ass vanilla MC
(this is necessary to add plugins, for anti-griefing and more)
I did that
but now it apparently doesn’t like that the current world wasn’t made in pocketmine, so from what im seeing, i think it needs to start over
this sucks yes, sorry, but everyone is starting off with a fresh slate and now we can have some plugins in place to keep things good (feel free to recommend things from here: https://poggit.pmmp.io/plugins)
in my defense the disclaimer has been “Still figuring things out so feel free to just mess around…”
i’ll be doing this some time today
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Alright
There isn’t any saves folder? Usually server world is stored in such things.
No I still have the world, backed up too
But when the server starts it tells at me about incompatibility and crashes
I feel like it might be like running on different mc version or smth.
Btw suggesting adding invsee so there would be obvious if someone hacks by seeing 2 stacks of diamonds while in mines etc.
its basically this exact thing
https://forums.pmmp.io/threads/mcpe-world-way-to-copy-what-i-did.7526/
legit the biggest bruh moment, F in the chat for everyone’s precious bases they spent hours on just to get deleted
Due to this change I will now become e v i l
Not only does Ralph bronk sticknodes
he bronks Minecraft as well
lmao
Fresh starts, I mean the Anarchy genre has grown on me a bit (as long as i don’t get griefed or anything).
So we can make factions now, like, LEGIT factions,
(Now here are names for factions in case you want)
Light Legionnaires
Anarchists
Redstone Maniacs
Builders, Fighters, Engineers
The Peace Protection Unit
Arc’s faction – the bronkers
i want in
Lets create a lag machine that will murder Ralph’s sani-
Eyy same
Mate this isn’t that good of an idea IMO. Literally one castle got exploded and now you’re resetting the server, ofc people are going to want to kill each other and destroy stuff, that’s kinda how Minecraft is. It seems like you’re really taking this out of proportion.
“As long as there’s two people left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead.” Especially holds true in online games like Minecraft.
Look I’m not too into raiding myself, I’ve always been a redstoner and builder and whatnot, but this? This is only going to escalate problems even worse. It’s unfair to begin with that everyone’s getting screwed over because a minority of people on the server are whining about a Minecraft base of all things. It’s friggin Minecraft, not Dark Souls, loosing a base ain’t that big of a deal and no one should even be crying about it. That’s literally the cycle of Minecraft online. Build base, enjoy it, get attacked, rebuild. Or, if you’ve actually made a good one, you don’t have to rebuild.
Now, I understand how my logic can be turned against my point. “If it’s just a base, resetting the server won’t matter.” Well, for me, my base doesn’t matter. To some others, it really does, and this reset only discourages more people from playing on the server. I’ve already seen it in motion on the Minecraft discord, people are sick of that crap and aren’t gonna put up with it. I spent a ton of time making a hidden piston door work and I could probably redo that on the new one. “I’m” not angry at the reset specifically, just what the reset implies.
This server is filled with tons of people with tons of buildings, the epitaph castle and the people within it were only a tiny portion of the server itself. Prioritizing that small group and screwing over everyone else and everything everyone else has built is just completely biased babysitting. You’re really going to flip everyone off and screw em over just to help like 4 people get a castle (which they could easily rebuild with better qualities than the old one) that got blown up by some dude? Not cool for pretty much everyone.
In addition, doing this isn’t gonna stop the griefing, it will only increase. People are going to specifically target the individuals with the castle simply because they’re better off due to the reset. That leads to conflict, bullying, and pretty soon a Minecraft griefing war will erupt. And believe me, there’s plenty of ways to blow stuff up and grief without using tnt, from what I’ve heard. The server will be thrown into chaos, people are gonna get mad and not play anymore, and no one will get along.
All because 4 people couldn’t get over a frickin castle on Minecraft. Big whoop.
TLDR: Doing this shows bias to a specific minority of the server and screws over literally everyone else who ever played on it, such an action will only encourage more infighting and more destructive griefing methods, and in general will only cause the server to be more chaotic. Let the people do what they want, it’s literally just Minecraft. If someone’s crying because they lost a base, they need to grow up and not take it out on everyone else.
Don’t screw the whole server just because you want to babysit 3 people and make them happy.
holy crap @ wall of text
I hate to undo everything you just said with a simple answer but, I *need* to add mods/plugins, I wanted to do that from the beginning
this won’t solve Red’s issue at all, lol, so thats not exactly why im doing this
and I learned this morning (as a result of this event) that I need to change the server software, which isn’t compatible with the currently-generated world
so, this would have happened eventually
Yea, I understand that the plugins are necessary and that the reset was only a matter of time, it just seemed with the timing like it was less focused on the plugins and more on the whole castle.
Regardless, some people are pushing for stuff like disabling tnt blasts and all for the new server, which kinda seems ridiculous to me as it’s a basic mechanic of the game. Taking away those aspects just kinda dulls the game down for people. I’m into building tnt cannons, so that sucks for me definitely.
I mean… He DID warn everyone and stuff about it.
http://sticknodes.com/activity/p/503468/
oh crap i forgot i wrote that
*sigh of relief*
its like, i knew that was my intention but i felt kinda bad i didn’t convey it as well as i thought
Can’t wait until the same thing happens to sticknodes
*SN somehow deletes every project and sticks in 3.0.0 cause they have been deemed incompatible*
honestly in this case why IS plugins needed?
anti-grief, all that but whats the point of plugins if you can’t tell some people that been griefed to take better security measures?
tl:dr; plugins are kinda pointless
Anti-cheat, moderator plugins. This is kinda most important ones.
Otherwise people be flying on boats or riding pigs and elytras 70000 blocks a second (it’s real btw).
And also if there’s no moderator plugins then it’s gonna end up ralph having to somehow manage entire server by himself with crappy tools that can’t even prove if a guy is hacking, as he can’t go invisible, check inventory etc.
I get your point but I’m talking about the overall “Anti-grief”
“Anti-mob-grief” type plugins that completely throw out natural features of the game.
If you need help then go make up some sort of moderation team instead of installing plugins that basically as Toxic says dull down the game even more.
I still have to note that most of what you say about flying on boats and such require command blocks or spawn eggs which are HIGHLY CREATIVE RESTRICTED items or if you have Operator.
I’m fine with Moderator Plugins but those who want anti-tnt explosions and all should not be even added into the server in the first place if no one can get over a factions-like server where everyone’s gonna fight and theres no stopping it.
There’s also a few features in minecraft that make “can’t go invisible” became “become invisible”. It’s Operator Commands. They exist for a reason. Totally “crappy tools”. But you do will have to probably see how to see in people’s inventory.
That kind of assumes that Epitaph’s group is the only ones who don’t want griefing.
Some people don’t like Faction War servers and that’s OK, I think the democratic way to resolve this is with a poll
And I’m willing to bet that most people will be anti-grief.
i 100% agree with you
when i used to mess around on minecraft servers, i’d hate when they were so dumbed down to basically just “walk and look around but don’t touch anything ever or be banned”
but, as we can see here, there is a need for some security measures
maybe it can be disabled for certain users
the only thing to enforce rules then have some sort of factions type thing then, or just a moderation team and people whom get rekt’d over by other people can just go complain to said-moderation team and they can resolve the issue from there
@ralph if you want to add a mod add lucky block, search em up if you get bored. They are a lot of fun my guy.
I mean, it’s just beautiful.
I think the whole “Everyone will just do more egregious ways of griefing” is a bit of a stretch
It might be like all these other servers in Minecraft where people just ya’ know… Behave.
And it’s not just showing bias to a minority, I’d say the vast majority of MC players are builders, and getting rid of TNT explosions would only effect those who grief, in which case I don’t really care about those types of guys.
Griefing is a dirty type of fun because to have it you gotta take away someone else’s. Imagine spending hours on your base only to log off and come back having it destroyed. Not really a fun experience. Unlike PVP, it’s not remotely fair, and is only fun for the griefer.
And unlike games like Rust and Unturned where griefing is expected and respected, Minecraft is a generally chiller game and building in it is much more of a focus, especially if there’s a showcase competition (which there is).
It doesn’t really matter that it’s apart of the base game. When every vanilla version of MC specifically has an option to remove it than even the devs acknowledge how unfun it can be for the victims.
tl;dr Griefing is just a toxic form of fun in my eyes. And removing it wouldn’t cause much of a problem for anyone except the people doing it, in which case they should behave or get banned. It would benefit the majority instead of the minority. Vanilla mechanics be damned.
Not to mention how keeping greifing would effectively kill building, a WAAAYYY more important part of the game.
Grieifing is exactly what killed building in Unturned. There are so many ways to destroy a base in that game that it’s simply not worth it.
Chopping down trees and spending hours on a base in Unturned only for it to be destroyed because some dickhead lucked upon C4 at the military base.
There’s also the problem with the whole just rebuild thing
Who’s to say they won’t fuck with you while you’re trying to rebuild.
If they’re griefing you they probably stole your shit making it even harder to rebuild
And in the time it takes to gather the materials to make your base better the griefer has probably gathered the materials to grief again. It’s quicker to craft TNT than it is to rebuild a base.
The only solution would be to move which would just be frustrating, the same reason why it was frustrating when Lemon found your base.
ALSO WAIT YOU JUST SAID A BASE SHOULDN’T BE A BIG DEAL AND THEN YOU SAY THAT IF YOU RESET SOMEONES BASE IT’S GONNA BE A BIG DEAL WUT
Wait there’s a Minecraft server now?
yep
it was created less than a week ago
I demand plugins
https://poggit.pmmp.io/p/StairSeat/1.4.0
https://poggit.pmmp.io/p/LockMyStuff/0.3.0
Uhh this one
https://poggit.pmmp.io/p/SkyBlock/2.3.3
And this one
https://poggit.pmmp.io/p/ChestShop/2.2.5
Ralph white list me pls promise me will not grief
ign CharlieZer0YT
also nOOOOOOOO i didnt say gudbai to me build ;-;
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i forgot to put an “i” 🙂
Btw, my suggestion how the server can be handled is like a hybrid or multiple modes. Like there are servers where you can get a land of plot that’s like 64×64 where you can have your house in etc and it’s all fine. But we can also mix in the idea of anarchy. So like just few thousand blocks away from spawn is just what people want, but also near spawn is thing other people want-
now that’s a pure server right there, basically a full functioning server like hypixel, mineplex and all that.
build teams, overall scripting would take a good 5 months or so.
would be long but sorta worth the wait.
I mean… Just set a plot plugin, anticheat plugin. Then have like 15.000×15.000 area for plots and people get teleported beyond that to anarchy-
im hoping in sometime later folks.
Why don’t we cut the Minecraft and just play Roblox! Who’s with me?
Anyone?!
no
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*Maximum Punishment*
can someone buy me minecraft
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