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JumpsH00ps
2024-06-14 18:29:48 UTC This is a great discussion! I tend to agree with their views on Hollywood.
It’s unfortunate that this topic makes people want to murder each other. I agree with Nate’s points here (though, I disagree with the tone he takes with them. But just because I disagree, that doesn’t mean that he’s wrong; we’re all different members of the body of Christ with different rolls. Maybe his roll is to be more abrasive to bring the point home just how bad these sins are, maybe Mike Winger’s roll is to be more kind to draw people to the truth through a certain type of kindness that people outside of the Christian faith don’t portray often).
These prosperity preachers like Jesse Duplantis and Kenneth Copeland are EXACTLY why Christians become Cessationists and it’s so sad!
I agree with most everything Dr. Steve says.
I can’t not believe that God performs miracles today.
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your a very valid user to my eyes, your christian and i respect it very much, glad i’m not the only one, god bless you
Thanks, man! I try my best .
ok im just curious what are your thoughts on lgbtq
Do you want to start another controversy or something?
no its just im curious about what he thinks given what he said in this post
Actually, I have always wondered about that
I mean she’s just asking what are his thoughts considering jumphoops hasn’t really said much about it
hes said some questionable things before, and considering hes a christian.. well, you know
What did he say?
nothing really obvious but i think hes posted some videos about christians talking about lgbtq and said some things about what he thinks
it wasnt anything bad but it wasnt anything good either, it wasnt really talking about lgbtq specifically, moreso the video he linked
i misspoke, sorry
I promise I haven’t been ignoring you. I’m on my lunch break now, and this is about the only free time I have to sit down and formulate a longer text than a few words.
I believe that both the Old Testament and New Testament teach that homosexuality is wrong. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of it, Jesus gives a citation of Genesis 1:27 to the Pharisees explaining the way marriage is meant to be (which includes that it’s supposed to be between a man and a woman), Paul directly rebukes it in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and throughout the entire next chapter, Paul also talks about the gift of celibacy for certain people, including homosexuals.
The LGBT community likely began with genuine confusion/concerns (What do we do if someone is born with both genitalia? etc.) and has now snowballed into what it is today. Just like every other “movement”, or whatever you want to call it, it’s become very toxic and intolerant (again, just like religious (including Christian) movements, equality movements, and any other movements).
oh no
you’re an idiot
tragic
When have I ever not claimed to be an idiot, lol
I want to clarify that while homosexuality is a sin, so is doing drugs and sleeping around. I, personally, believe that you can be a born again Christian, struggle with any or all of these sins, have times where you give in to the temptation of these sins, and still be saved. You are only not saved if you are in continuous sin and not overcome with grief that you performed said sin.
While I get where you’re coming from, we’ve evolved to a point where not everyone agrees with some stuff the Bible says. This has been a long way that separates our society standards with the ones written by the lord.
Whilst we still agree to some of them eg; you won’t kill, you won’t steal… it is important to factorise that people are free to do whatever they want regarding their sexuality and it doesn’t have to mean its wrong.
Jesus loves all of us regardless of our gender, best we can do is adapt his ways and love everyone the same way he loves us. Regardless of gender.
You’re exactly right, Jesus loves all of us, but not our sin, these are two things our culture seems to not be able to separate. Our culture seems to think that what we do and feel, good or bad, makes up our entire personhood. From what I understand of the Bible, not only did God create mankind and said it was “good”, but also gave mankind personality and said it was “good”. After God created what He called “good”, Lucifer corrupted it with sin. The sin that the devil introduced is what God rejects, not the person themselves. We have to separate the sin from the person in order to walk the path He wants us to walk.
Under this reasoning, I anticipate you’re aware that Jesus forgives our sins as he died in the cross for us.
But Jesus is God in human form.
Doesn’t this entail that God is forgiving of our sins and therefore doesn’t seem homosexuality wrong?
Sure, God may not like what Lucifer did. But the sin that he introduced was betrayal and lust.
Homosexuality shouldn’t be wrong. It’s not an act of violence, all the contrary. It’s just loving each other which is what he said to do.
1 John 1:9 – If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Proverbs 28:13 – Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
Matthew 3:2 – “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
These verses, and many more, explain that in order for God to forgive our sins, we have to recognize that we are sinning, confess that we have sinned, ask God to forgive us of our sin (which doesn’t mean ask for forgiveness just to do it again. The Old Testament speaks of wearing sackcloth and ashes when asking for forgiveness which implies actually being distraught that you have sinned), and actually labor at not doing that sin again. None of these things you can truly do if you don’t start with the first step, recognizing what is sin.
ok
im sorry that he gave me an extra cell or chromosome or wahtever and made me a guy 🙄
(its testosterone)
I’m sorry if I’m coming off too strong. I was hoping this would just be a light-hearted debate. If you’re getting frustrated I can totally back off.
Though, the Bible doesn’t say anything about “homosexuality” if I recall correctly.
Unless it does, could you show me these passages?
Also, this has been abused to a point where people justify and cleanse their actions with.
What if Hitler repented for his sins before he died and also repented and asked for forgiveness before committing suicide? Would God then forgive him as you say here?
Along the many years, historians have proven for religious people to manipulate the words of the Bible to get their way.
The strong powers of the church, being far stronger then the king himself in AngloSaxon times shows how much a single pope can do just because he’s “close” with God.
The fermentation of fear into the peasants which led them to believe the black plague was a holy punishment and started beating themselves until they died bleeding in the streets to try and cleanse their sins.
Say what you will, but I prefer taking my chances at loving another man then be associated closely with the unholy practices the higher-ups in the religious faith have done.
goated goated goated goated
There is not a single good earthly thing that cannot be abused for evil purposes. I think this might (correct me if I’m wrong) be one of the few things that we both agree on. However, I believe that we can be a part of something that we disagree with how it was handled and not endorse the bad, only the good.
Indeed. However, it doesn’t mean we have to hold onto the past if we are able to forgive what the religious headmasters have done. Am I not correct?
To add further more, recent religious figures such as Francis The Pope have allowed same sex marriage and stated that they’re not a crime. A sin, but a very lesser sin that holds nearly no value as its passive.
“God loves all of us, we are their children. incriminating people for loving one another is unjust” – He stated in 2022.
He allowed same sex marriage “urgently” in 2016.
I don’t think the church would allow sinners in their premises.
Right, we are supposed to forgive the abuse of scripture.
Now, I do not agree with the Pope on nearly anything, because I am not a Catholic. I believe that there is a middle ground between abusing the Scripture, telling everyone that if they breathe wrong they’re anathema, and adding to the Scripture, telling everyone as long as you do these physical things you objectively are saved. This middle ground is simply reading the Bible cover to cover for ourselves, using only as much help to understand the text as needed and, not forgetting, but putting our preconceived opinions in the back of our mind as much as we can (so that we interpret it as correctly as possible). After that is done, then we add back in our preconceived opinions and other people’s interpretations of the Bible and begin comparing and contrasting them. We will still all come to different conclusions, but hopefully, this will ensure that our differences in interpretation will only be as vast as Paul and Barnabas’s.
Yappity yap of the Holy yappeters
Don’t bring your own opinion on this. As you’ve stated before your own opinion is not important.
Millions if not billons of people follow the pope.
He’s the closest to God. He should know.
I don’t know how to convey over text that I’m not being sarcastic or sly in any way shape or form when I say this, but it is your opinion that the Pope is the closest to God. My opinion stems from the text of the Scripture, and in the Scripture there is no mention of a Pope being closest to God. Only the Apostles (all of which are no longer on the Earth with us) and the Body of Christ (which would include every single person who is a Christian) are mentioned.
Leviticus 18:6-23 ESV
[6] “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord. [7] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. [8] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. [9] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. [10] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son’s daughter or of your daughter’s daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. [11] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, brought up in your father’s family, since she is your sister. [12] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s relative. [13] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s relative. [14] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother, that is, you shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. [15] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. [16] You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. [17] You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, and you shall not take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are relatives; it is depravity. [18] And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive. [19] “You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. [20] And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor’s wife and so make yourself unclean with her. [21] You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. [22] You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. [23] And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.
So it says being gay is wrong but being lesbian isn’t?
not sure what the point it here; he’s just saying don’t be a cuck
[22] You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
this all in itself is really confusing and doesn’t really make a point in homosexuality being a sin
Precisely, it only states the man side and not the woman side.
I believe its a ambiguous statement that Christians misunderstand.
If they do follow then they don’t think homosexuality is wrong for females but only for men.
And technically, if you’re gay you wouldn’t lie with a man the same way you would with a woman as you wouldn’t lie with a woman at all (sexually / romantically)
The readers of the original Hebrew text at the time weren’t as literal as we are today. They would have understood it as homosexuality in general.
And you know that how? Were you there to know it?
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really using reddit as a credible source??
I’m simply saying that it’s not just me. It’s me and one other person. (I’m kidding)
Bruh you can’t fr be using Reddit to back up your evidence 💀
I wanna see a trusted religious source agreeing with your thoughts on that one passage.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (Nice)
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality”
Clearly states only for men.
i dont get it why are women allowed to have same sex
Fr, if homosexuality is a sin im 100% going to hell or purgatory even thought im an okay person
me in hell
They are not, they only mentioned men but it applies to women, too. As I said, they didn’t need everything said literally to understand it back then.
I don’t believe that.
Wine / grape juice is still considered Jesus’es blood.
Only in Catholic tradition. It is symbolic of Jesus’s blood.
hes saying you shouldnt lay in bed with a man like you would with a woman
ergo 2 men cuddling is a sin
if everything is perfect in gods eyes (so ive heard), then would that make those that are gay and trans perfect too? and, really, every male human being is trans, thats actually why men have nipples, fun fact. its becuase in the womb were born as women, and then we get the chromosome or the cell or whatever to make us into more men. so in reality im just going back to my roots lol!
so basically god created transgender folk
and actually transsexual folk too, because of those that are hermaphrodites an those that have nothing down there
and to back this up he made the female spotted hyena, which has a faux dick which is the birth-giving organ and that can sometimes even result in death : )
and, he probably should have figured that a man would like a man and a woman would like a woman at some point down the line so he probably is just fine with that or had to get used to it at some point lmao..
i just looked it up and uhh homosexuality has been found in i think nearly every animal in the animal kingdom including insects, gastropods and arachnids among other things,
and these other things are more standard such as mammals like birds
so
birds are avians not mammals, thats on me sorry oops!!!!!
Humans have a moral code and animals do not.
https://www.gotquestions.org/homosexual-animals.html
but were animals
a human is by definition an animal that has evolved
we are mammals
a mammal is an animal
so youre contradicting yourself
do we have a moral code or do we not?
I don’t believe in evolution as you do. I believe that all creatures, after several generations, ADAPTED to the ever-changing world around them, but I don’t believe that we all started out as germs. In Genesis, God creates all of the different animal kinds (dog-kind, cat-kind, fish-kind, bird-kind, etc.) at one point in time, then at a separate point in time, He creates human-kind. We find out later in the Bible that God created angel-kind sometime before Genesis.
monkeys have a moral code
moral code or not its still homosexuality
Animals do have moral codes.
A lion father will leave a male child if they attempt to mate with their female siblings.
Just because they’re animals it doesn’t mean they are stupid or anything. Animals are children of God just as we are and they know what’s right in their own terms or what’s not.
We are animals too.
How has no one mentioned romans had gay sex too ((Aren’t THEY meant to be holy?))
With the holy comment I mean the Holy Roman Empire
ik hes greek but what about dionysus
wasnt he gay too
I don’t know a lot about Greek mythology, but a quick Google search yields that Dionysus is, at the very least, effeminate, and his sexuality is speculated. Some say he’s gay and others say bisexual.
dionysus is MY god ☕☕
For one, the rulers of the Roman Empire may have had the approval of the church, but were just as worldly in their behaviors and policies as any other rulers of the time. Simply because something is titled “Holy” doesn’t make it as such. For another. We’re not talking about groups of people, but individual persons and their individual walks with God and their individual struggles with sin.
As I said to Damon, our culture seems to think that what we do and feel, good or bad, makes up our entire personhood. From what I understand of the Bible, not only did God create mankind and said it was “good”, but also gave mankind personality and said it was “good”. After God created what He called “good”, Lucifer corrupted it with sin. The sin that the devil introduced is what God rejects, not the person themselves. We have to separate the sin from the person in order to walk the path He wants us to walk.
what damon said
“Homosexuality shouldn’t be wrong. It’s not an act of violence, all the contrary. It’s just loving each other which is what he said to do.”
The loving that Jesus speaks of is, essentially, the willingness to take a bullet for someone, not to be intimate with someone.
let me ask you a question
aside from the characters you pray to like god and jesus saying that its wrong
what about homosexuality, being transgender and anything inbetween (basically just lgbtq+) is so wrong? tell me. what truly is wrong about it
dont use any bible verses, i want your opinion
really think about why its so “wrong” aside from these characters telling you it is
Whether I think it is wrong or not does not matter. Yahweh’s opinion (which, I believe, is the only definition of truth that we have) is the ONLY thing that matters. Jesus also tells us that gluttony (over indulgence, especially in food) is a sin. I love to eat nothing but carbs and sugar. It doesn’t matter that I love this food, He doesn’t love it, so I have to figure something else out.
yes, it does matter what you think is right or wrong
you cant just rely on some guy in the sky to tell you everything about life
like the carbs for example
thats not god telling you that, its your body and the doctors telling you that?
your body is the one telling you that its not healthy and you need more greens, not “jesus love and thunder”
so tell me, what do you think is wrong about homosexuality and all of that. whats YOUR opinion. not gods opinion. not christs opinion. your opinion.
Other than God’s opinion on it, I simply don’t have an opinion on it. Someone asked the question, I answered the question biblically.
wow. so youre just using someone elses opinon for everything in your life? thats sad. thats actually sad im not even mad anymore i just feel bad. instead of being your own person youre just a child of god, and thats it. thats everything about you from start to finish. this is why i dont believe in shit like this, because id rather be my OWN person than some puppet for some higher power.
uh-
i said what i said.
Also, don’t call them characters. We call them Deities in this case.
It can come off as offensive.
i know it comes off as offensive, damon why do you think i said that
this kinda spits out how much you don’t know about the community.
we’ve taken bullets, we didn’t cast the first stone when we had to fight either— people fought for their right to love at the stonewall riots. pride is not about intimacy, it’s about the community and the identities, how we’re allowed to be who we want to be.
not restricted, not held back, not someone we really aren’t. i refuse to worship a god who would cast me to eternal fire for using different pronouns than what i was born with or loving another person.
This right here ^
It’s not “an act of violence” but it’s going against/the opposite of what God called “good” which is why I’d be considered a sin. Because it diverts away from what God had originally made our nature to be.(Jumpshoops, you’re doing great and even if you help only one person through doing this than keep going man!)
Thanks, man!
Just like every other “movement”, or whatever you want to call it, it’s become very toxic and intolerant
ig it’s intolerant to want to be accepted
look believe what you want but antagonizing lgbtq people isn’t going to do anything, there are bad actors in any movement sure but condemning an entire movement about acceptance as intolerant is silly
I don’t want to cause a fight it’s just my view on this
I suppose you are right about me making a blanket statement over the ENTIRE community rather than just a percentage is a little disingenuous. I apologize for that, I should’ve spent more time on what I wanted to say there.
Bro actually opened his eyes 😭 🙏
I’m sorry, that wasn’t my intention to make a statement about every single person in the community.
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