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Mouser64
2018-11-26 12:19:55 UTC Hello, do not expect me to make these often but this is gonna be a long post about base figures, their impact on the animating community, and other stuff.
So base figures, what are they? They are Stickfigures who don’t have a lot of detail and are pretty much a stickfigure, most people use them in animating since it’s easier and can be a lot better to animate. Whether it’s someone new starting out or an old pro, base figures have been used since the beginning and will be used to the end of stickfigure animation.
When seeing someone using a base figure, don’t call them lazy or anything like that, they could be starting out and a base figure is best for animators starting out since you don’t have to worry about things clipping through each other and other things detailed figures have. It could also be a pro animator who animates really well. Also, don’t think that people who have base figures are uncreative and all that, so what if they didn’t put in as much effort as making something detailed, this is an animation app they’re using not an art app. Detail is nice true, but story is far more important, so you shouldn’t degrade an animation series just because it uses base figures.
You think that base figures would be treated well in communities like our own but that isn’t the case, base figures are treated as lazy, unoriginal, and uncreative simply because of how they look. This isn’t fair since base figures have been apart of the stickfigure animation since the beginning, many good stickfigure animators have used base figures and still use base figures to this day. It’s sad to see an important part of Stickfigure animation cut off from a community simply because some believe that it is bland or boring. For those who don’t want this place to turn into the next Hyun’s Dojo and stand out well I say that is bs, Sticknodes is already unique enough, I mean most animation apps don’t have what Sticknodes have which is downloadable Stickfigures, all the animation features, both a pro for more advanced people who like to spend money and a free version which anyone can download plus both apps are mobile and can be took anywhere.
The point is, don’t get rid of Base Figures, keep them.
#SaveBaseFigures
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Epitaph’s reaction
you dare interfere with my plans?
just about
Like to see him try to argue against this if I’m going to be honest
holy crap epitaph *is* zamasu
Thank you! Glad to see more people talking about this now and making a move about it.👏
Amen
Holy, sh*t. I can die happy now that this exists.
they’re unoriginal and lazy because all of the original ideas have run dry, most will take a base figure and give it a generic backstory, and boom leave it at that
detailed figures last much longer because there’s so many more things to use, you don’t have to convey hero or villain by color or by word of mouth alone anymore, you can give it a unique design to convey it’s theme.
i’m not going to go on with this, @epitaph200 can if he wants to.
What have you fûcking done
my comment while i agree with you dezway it can also be done with how they walk and shifts in music
that’s to do with animation, I’m talking about design alone here.
fair point
Unoriginal and lazy? Some of the most interesting RHGs I’ve seen are base figures. Unoriginal my ass, sure some have demons but if you look at Hyun’s Dojo, it’s filled with base figures that are all unique even if they don’t look like it. People remember designs true but some of the most memorable RHGs are base figures like Hyun, Umbrella, and Shuriken. People all do different things from each other and base figures are one of the things that people do upon animating. Yeah, detailed is nice but you can make all the detailed figures you want but in the end animation matters the most because this is an animation app.
that’s not my point, those were original at the time, but now there’s barely any new concepts for base figures like that anymore.
And that’s a problem? Who cares what others do. If they wanna use base gigs to convey or tell a story, why is that your business?
if you’re doing that for fun, fair enough, if you’re doing it to succeed or to get a job at an animation studio, you need to learn to use detailed figures as your next step after learning to animate base figures.
i think that’s the general consensus among people who agree with this, idk about epitaph, he’s kind of all over the place with his beliefs on this whole thing
Fair point
Epitaph even gives figure detail improvement in figure critisism IN tests, which is one of the reasons of him getting hated
i’m confused
Maybe because popular people that don’t like base figures, pressure people who do animate with base figures to get detailed and all of that thing before they can really make a base figure concept?
no lol
can say with reasonable certainty that that has either never happened, or the person being pressured just didn’t care.
if you’re determined to come up with something new, you won’t give in to peer pressure like that.
Honestly base figures aren’t unoriginal at all. It’s a lot of the people that use them are. I’ve got some points to make here.
1. Don’t kill me for this example, but a surprisingly good example to relate base figures to is the game “Undertale” and its fandom. “Undertale” by itself is a good game. The fandom abuses it, however, and creates pretty bad stuff. However, instead of disappointment being directed toward the fandom, at many times people will just criticize Undertale itself. People who like Undertale are afraid to say they like it, because they’ll be related to the fandom trash. Base figures aren’t bad, it’s many of their users that are unoriginal. Instead of declaring base figures as bad, I’ve always thought we should focus on the people who make them bad and unoriginal.
2. Tons of people have been pressured into detail by a specific popular individual. Obviously Epitaph lmao. I’ve got tons of evidence to prove it as well. Everyone’s afraid of “getting on his bad side” so they just conform, and bad stories and unoriginal characters come out of it. Even though they may have good designs, those designs were the only thing focused on, and story rots away. Let people do what they want to do. Epitaph forcing detail hell is not the way to go.
i mean fair enough
How about we teach people how to write a good backstory, good and fair powers, and all of that instead of helping with design?
ive always been a fan minimal detail so one figure dosent blend with another cause that always looked weird to me
Characters can work as base figures. But their overall memorability is decreased because they don’t have many memorable features. Though most of a character is built by the personality. Like Vaas from Far Cry 3. He was perfect in personality. But a little lower in those big details. I deliberately add a bunch of detail to stuff of mine cause it’s what I naturally do. Stick figure animation is what SN was built for. While I like pushing it further, I still like the stick figure art style. It’s the mix of base figures and powers or weeb stuff that I’m sick of. The full on base figure OCs that are just a color though are simply pointless though.
I agree about the base fig recoloring stuff. There’s gotta be at least something to define a character that isn’t just a colored figure. As long as that simple detail is memorable enough, it can work.
Yeah. I don’t mind the straight colors, but for complex stories they don’t work whatsoever.
This is true. I was originally going to use a scarf figure as my RHG until I saw and experienced the isolation and hatred most advanced users of the community gave me. Especially Kaiju, that’s why I don’t like him. To stop this I wanted to be as original as I could and made Angel. I was a victim and I’m sure their are more in this community like me.
This is why I want base figures in this community, people hate base figures with a burning passion which is something I don’t think is fair.
Theres a good reason for scarf figures. Not base figures.
There is no good reason for any of this. Base figures or scarf figures, it doesn’t make a difference. People shouldn’t put down others just because they deem something too “bad” or “uncreative” for your liking.
Critisism and simply being sick of a design that is extremely generic, but overused is not a bad thing. It’s nature. People like and hate. It’s just on how they express it. Scarf figures need to be shut down. They are driving people into failure. Critisism of them will make a difference. TheGamerX would agree.
Ugh, now your just scaling yourself down to a basic pov of every advanced user here. Im wasting my time arguing with y’all.
You just scaled your argument strength by saying that. I’m also a hell of a lot different than other users here. Don’t compare me to them cause theres always the area I disagree with them in. I probably disagree with Epitaph most in all honesty. Do you not see how many scarf figures are out there and why people are sickof them??
Do you not see that I don’t want to argue with you, being my exact point? Its pretty hard to see you differently from the others when you haven’t shown you think differently. I see you and Epitaph as similar people. I’m sorry, I don’t want to make enemies with you so, I’m gonna end the argument here by saying you win, if that’s what your after, I couldn’t care less. I’m done with this community’s sh*t.
hominid he has shown very often that he thinks differently
have you noticed that he openly said that he disagreed with epitaph and agreed with toxic like 1-2 days ago? or that he liked pretty much every post speaking against epitaph?
Yeah but my view of him stuck when I first joined and I don’t likely see it changing.
how is this relevant
When I was being criticized and isolated from the community for using a scarf fig, he was one of them. Ugh, I don’t feel like explaining this anymore. You win if that’s what your after. I don’t care anymore.
Dude. I never was Epitaph style attack on scarf figures. I simply recommended straying away from the use of scarfs. Simple. If you just lose it and try to play victim while saying you were isolated and hated. You are only strengthening a stereotype about scarf figures. You see me and Epitaph as the same because I oppose your opinion, he opposes your opinion. I’m sorry, but the world would be pretty damn boring if everyone was the same. This whole concept can be tied to the use of scarfs too. You were critisized. Part of being a content creator. People critisize you because they want to see you improve and succeed. But your reaction to me and Dezway is not helping. If you didn’t want to argue, you should definitely rethink instigating the argument by missing my point and trying to compare me to Epitaphs extreme style. I’ve shown I think differently very often against Epitaph. We both conclude that scarfs are overused,in which they are. Look at someone like TheGamerX. He relates to me a hellava lot more than Epitaph. He doesn’t mind base figures from what I see and he thinks scarfs are overused, just like me. You haven’t explained anything. I continue to reply cause I refuse to be painted like shìt like you have every big user in the community here. You aren’t reading to understand. You are reading to reply. If you are going to keep your stance, fair enough. But you better be able to defend it next time. Cause you failed misserably here. I don’t care about whether I win or not, I simply want to see a reasonable stance with support from you. Not whatever the hell you replied with there saying I’m acting like every other user by precisely saying “I’m sick of scarfs and here the reasons why everyone doesn’t like I’m” One last thing. If you can’t defend your side, you best be changing your stance on the issue.
Dude. I don’t know what is funnier, that fact you wrote that LONG *SS paragraph or the fact you actually expected me to read that sh*t! 😂😂😂. Tough luck. Anyway, your right. I m completely irrelevant and should never have commented. You win.
Those where your points right? Did I get everything? Sorry but I’ve got much better things to do. Now, you can try and prove your point more but I doubt I’ll even respond, as I’ll be engaging in fun activities.
Your the bigger person here for shutting me down and you’ve DEFINITELY changed my view of you. Idk why your so bothered by that though, as people think of you two so highly. I’m hoping this doesn’t ruin things between us, although I’m probably pushing my luck.
Wow, here I am talking about how you wrote a long paragraph, but I just wrote like 4. How hypocritical of me.
Good on you for pointing yourself out. But you obviously still didn’t get my poin because you can’t read my reply, but you can read all of this drama and crap. I expect you to grasp more if I add a more detailed reply so you understand. Relevancy has nothing to do with this. It’s your facts and support that are lacking in your instigation of an argument. Simple. You can chose to not reply, but the truth still stands here and I hope you learn from it. Don’t expect me to hat you over this, you definitely are giving me a negative thought about you, but I’ve seen worse. People think of me and Dezway highly because we aren’t making the mistakes everyone else is and we try to help them while at the same time, creating quality content at the same time.
not really
Bruv, people have been pressured into making more detailed figures when they don’t want to, I’m sure it has happened before. Most people don’t like base figures in this community and I want to change that. Want to use detailed figures? Fine by me. Want to use base figures? Fine by me. The reason why I’m defending base figures is because people who use them in this community get a lot of criticism and crap for it. Also about the new base figure concepts, new ones are being made just that you don’t see them since there’s a lot more base figures on Hyun’s Dojo than on here because of reasons. Hell, the starting figure for the Sticknodes app is pretty basic himself and no one gives Ralph crap about that.
honestly now idk my stance on this anymore
That’s great if I’m gonna be honest, this post was meant to change people’s mind and I’m glad that this ended the way it did. Civilized and someone’s opinion changed.
@epitaph200 hey yo
i’m gonna need another side to this so I can form my opinion based on more than one side.
please tell me if any of the stuff I or mouser said was inaccurate, respectfully, please.
HES CALLING BACKUP
HE IS CALLING BACKUP
*grabs shield and puts it in his front*
if he strays too far from what I asked then I’ll write a paragraph post and then everyone will book
*grabs another shield to cover another shield*
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I’ll put it simple.
Mouser is correct Base Figs have history and are good for beginners.
That’s it though, once you are better than that you should ditch them or you’re severely lessening your chances of getting good wih design later. Also, in a motion picture product, design is essential, regardless of what is told. Even the most basic things have some thought into their design. Bases for the sake of ease is intolerable and is simply being weak and soft.
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TAKE DOWN NO-
*gets raped*
If people like using base figures, let them. Not everyone is looking for a professional career in animation. In fact, the majority of the community probably only participates in animation as a hobby. If people like animating with bases, there is nothing wrong with that. Don’t force a try-hard elitist view on the community just because you dislike base figures. Don’t force people to follow a detail trend, or the creative aspect of StickNodes will decay. Not to mention, calling the usage of base figures “weak and soft” but failing to mention tweening in that is pretty hypocritical, as both are meant in ways for beginners.
You are always about design and all of that Epitaph. Yeah, design is cool but you shouldn’t ditch bases entirely because of it. Design isn’t everything, in fact some of the best stickfigure animators have base figures. Maybe if you started looking at what a character can do, their powers, backstory, and all of that, maybe you’ll find that they are unique instead of some generic base fig. Also, some people don’t like animating detailed figures and are perfectly fine without animating detailed figures, take Vamrack as an example, detail isn’t a thing that matters to him and he has lots of subscribers on his YouTube channel.
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But his characters aren’t all that memorable aside from fatman cause of his simple yet unique design.
Detail isn’t what i preach, good design is.
*starts scribbling all this down* hey epitaph want to help me write this book
Bruv, I remember all of his characters, hell, I even remember characters in an RHG that are a base figure, Frankie and Umbrella, I even remember their powers.
Oi’ I love umbrella!
Characters can become so much more memorable by their storylines, personalities, and actions instead of just relying on design. Unfortunately, there hasn’t been a big story-based project using base figures as the center, to prove that they can indeed become memorable. Also, that “preaching good design” shtick is complete bs, all you talk about is adding more detail to figures to make them good design. Anything not detailed enough is bad by your standards.
toxic
have you considered a degree in philosophy
Occasionally, ye
hey toxic. i sent you a request to join your group. how is that coming along
Well, the group itself is for TZT staff only, so we don’t accept anyone else for it
the other one
mewila and arch are not that memorable?
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Nah. Can’t remember who Arch is and Mewlia is barrly Vamrack’s creation. She’s pretty average too
a cat girl with white hair and purple skin with a half open one piece swimsuit and a huge handed black body suited guy are not that memorable?
how about leader
Tbh, you barely remember anyone besides your own character.
Holy crap, got em lmao
OOOOOOOOF
Also, you clearly remember them since you recalled their names.
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We call thrm lazy because most of them get angry when you critizise them. As if they didny want to be better even if they have potential.
That has nothing to do with the figure and everything to do with the animator. Animators are responsible for their actions, so base figures should not be looked at with spite because of their animator. Not to mention, this certainly groups “every single” one of them into a category of “refusing criticism” when this couldn’t be more far from the truth. Yes, some people use base figures and reject criticism, but not everyone. The reputation of many should not be determined by the actions of few.
Bruv, even detailed animators and detailed figures reply harshly upon getting criticized, its just something that no one tends to like.
Mate, thank you so much for this post. So many people just keep crapping on base figures and all that, so it’s really refreshing to see some positivity directed toward the stuff. Keep doin what you’re doing man! 😀
Mouser, discord god
Meh, I just feel like this community craps on Base Figures too much and I feel like changing it. Wanna use detailed figures? Go ahead. Wanna use Base figures? Knock yourself out. People shouldn’t be forced to be something they’re not. I’m also glad that I got someone like you backing me up, you’re much better at arguing and actual winning arguments than I am.
i love you mouser
you provided so much evidence of how bad the complexors are
Meh, use whatever you want.
Well. The extreme complex creators. The ones on the crusade. Not me. I still do stick figure animation.
i don’t refer to you as a complexor.
complexors are the ones who don’t even bother to care about bases, it’s a made up term i crafted.
Ok. So people that ignore the use of them?
ignore them in general, they won’t bother to give any love to bases, or etc.
I hear you.
but this is text
Umm…. Well… I understand you.
14 likes? This is the biggest post that I got this high amount of praise for.
I believe this is a good point. My first characters that I’ve tried to introduce would be considered “Base Stickfigures,” and they have some of the most original backstories. They may not look the most complex, but they are some of the most imortant parts of my StickVerse. I also believe that Base Stickfigures have a good role in StickNodes. They help newcomers get started and are some of the best choices for smooth animation. They shouldn’t be dismissed as bland or unoriginal, at least not all of them. Especially since everybody started out with them at one point, or still uses them to this day. Base Stickfigures can’t be automatically disregarded as they currently are.
Base figures are goood,
They help for starter creators they aren’t lazy at all..
People who use them it’s your fault for making the bases in the first place.
Bases are good