I had a whole thing written to your earlier post which was deleted before I could post it. Anyway I’ll just paste what I said there and hope it helps
“ Well, I went through and checked some of these verses, and from the ones I’ve checked so far, they don’t relate to Jesus being crucified. For example,
Luke 4:29-30 (ESV) “All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.”
This doesn’t relate to him on the cross, as this is a story from him teaching at synagogue.
Another one, (you switched the verse order) John 19:36 NIV, 31
“Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”[c] 37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”
The full context shows that at this point, Jesus had already died on the cross. So they chose not to break his legs since it wouldn’t mean anything like with the other two. This did fulfill scripture as stated above.
I don’t really have the time to go through every verse, but it seems like the ones your mentioning either prove him dying in the cross, or don’t have any relation to the crucifixion. Essentially, context matters.
I still haven’t read the Bible so it’s been nice doing research for these types of posts. Hope this helps in anyway.”
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Thanks for your fast respond,With regard to your belief that Christ was crucified, this is a false belief, as evidenced by your holy book, in the Gospel of Luke 4: 29-30 that God protected Christ, peace be upon him, and protected him from the plot and cunning of the Jews, so they could not crucify him. John said: 8:59 (so they took up stones to stone him. But Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple, passing through their midst, and so went on.” And John 10:93 said: (And they also sought to seize him, and he slipped out of their hands), and in John 36:19 (And this happened to fulfill what came in the book: not a bone of him will be broken)!
Replying to:Just smileThanks for your fast respond,With regard to your belief that
I’m guessing you wrote this response and posted it on accident which is why when I tried to reply with the one I posted above your post (aka this reply I’m responding to) was deleted.
The reply I gave you was in response to your response to me. As in your reply, was originally a post which I tried to respond to. Anyway, I recommend reading what I said, as I went over how those verses either don’t relate/are out of context.
Ah, then you would have seen my responses to your examples. I feel that the examples you provided (for example) Luke 4: 29-30 and John 19:36 are poor examples of your claim. As Luke 4 doesn’t relate to the crucifixion, and John 19 is after he dies on the cross, not before hand.
I don’t have the time to go through every verse, but I would likely find similar issues with the two. My recommendation is to read the verses in their full context. As with context, the meanings or when something took place changes greatly.
(Isn’t meant to be hostile by the way, just trying to give responses. Apologies if this is taken negatively, it’s not intended).
Replying to:Humble DamienAh, then you would have seen my responses to your examples.
Isn’t the Bible related to each other, and everything that is said about Jesus, peace be upon him, is related to him? In these verses, we know that Jesus, peace be upon him (the deity in Christianity) is protected by the Most High God
Replying to:Just smileThanks for your fast respond,With regard to your belief that
Very early in the morning, the chief priests, with the elders, the teachers of the law and the whole Sanhedrin, made their plans. So they bound Jesus, led him away and handed him over to Pilate. “Are you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate. “You have said so,” Jesus replied. The chief priests accused him of many things. So again Pilate asked him, “Aren’t you going to answer? See how many things they are accusing you of.” But Jesus still made no reply, and Pilate was amazed. Now it was the custom at the festival to release a prisoner whom the people requested. A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. The crowd came up and asked Pilate to do for them what he usually did. “Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate, knowing it was out of self-interest that the chief priests had handed Jesus over to him. But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead. “What shall I do, then, with the one you call the king of the Jews?” Pilate asked them. “Crucify him!” they shouted. “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!” Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified. The soldiers led Jesus away into the palace (that is, the Praetorium) and called together the whole company of soldiers. They put a purple robe on him, then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on him. And they began to call out to him, “Hail, king of the Jews!” Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him. And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him out to crucify him. A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross. They brought Jesus to the place called Golgotha (which means “the place of the skull”). Then they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it. And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get. It was nine in the morning when they crucified him. The written notice of the charge against him read: the king of the jews. They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left. Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, “So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, come down from the cross and save yourself!” In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.” Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him. At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.” Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said. With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last. The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died, he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”
Mark 15:1-27, 29-39 NIV
Replying to:Just smileYall beilive that god rose him to the heaven ?
Because in quran : The truth in which there is no doubt is that God raised the Messiah to Him, as evidenced by the Qur’an. We know only to follow conjecture, and they did not kill him with certainty * Rather, God raised him to him, and he was God is Mighty, Wise. {An-Nisa: 157-158}
Replying to:Just smileBecause in quran : The truth in which there is no doubt is t
And in the bible : Acts 1:11: “This is Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven.” and And in Matthew 4:6 and Luke 4:10-11: (It is written that He will command His angels about you, and on their hands they will carry you).
Replying to:Just smileAnd in the bible : Acts 1:11: “This is Jesus, who was taken
Yes, Jesus was crucified, was risen in His heavenly body 3 days later, was here on Earth in his heavenly body for another 40 days, and then rose up to heaven to be seated at the right hand of God.
Replying to:JumpsH00psYes, Jesus was crucified, was risen in His heavenly body 3 d
In our true religion, Islam, we believe that God Almighty made one of the supporters of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, likened him to human beings, this likeness to Paradise, then raised the real Jesus, peace be upon him, to Paradise, and he will appear at the end of time. As for the likeness, they crucified him, but you thought that he is Jesus, peace be upon him. The real Bible has been distorted several times by scholars, and this is proven by the explicit contradiction in many verses and differences in the versions of the Bible. The Qur’an, as mentioned, contains scientific facts that were not discovered and that were discovered. They were mentioned in the Qur’an 1444 years ago
Thanks
I had a whole thing written to your earlier post which was deleted before I could post it. Anyway I’ll just paste what I said there and hope it helps
“ Well, I went through and checked some of these verses, and from the ones I’ve checked so far, they don’t relate to Jesus being crucified. For example,
Luke 4:29-30 (ESV) “All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.”
This doesn’t relate to him on the cross, as this is a story from him teaching at synagogue.
Another one, (you switched the verse order) John 19:36 NIV, 31
“Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”[c] 37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”
The full context shows that at this point, Jesus had already died on the cross. So they chose not to break his legs since it wouldn’t mean anything like with the other two. This did fulfill scripture as stated above.
I don’t really have the time to go through every verse, but it seems like the ones your mentioning either prove him dying in the cross, or don’t have any relation to the crucifixion. Essentially, context matters.
I still haven’t read the Bible so it’s been nice doing research for these types of posts. Hope this helps in anyway.”
Thanks for your fast respond,With regard to your belief that Christ was crucified, this is a false belief, as evidenced by your holy book, in the Gospel of Luke 4: 29-30 that God protected Christ, peace be upon him, and protected him from the plot and cunning of the Jews, so they could not crucify him. John said: 8:59 (so they took up stones to stone him. But Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple, passing through their midst, and so went on.” And John 10:93 said: (And they also sought to seize him, and he slipped out of their hands), and in John 36:19 (And this happened to fulfill what came in the book: not a bone of him will be broken)!
I’m guessing you wrote this response and posted it on accident which is why when I tried to reply with the one I posted above your post (aka this reply I’m responding to) was deleted.
The reply I gave you was in response to your response to me. As in your reply, was originally a post which I tried to respond to. Anyway, I recommend reading what I said, as I went over how those verses either don’t relate/are out of context.
I did read it 👀
Ah, then you would have seen my responses to your examples. I feel that the examples you provided (for example) Luke 4: 29-30 and John 19:36 are poor examples of your claim. As Luke 4 doesn’t relate to the crucifixion, and John 19 is after he dies on the cross, not before hand.
I don’t have the time to go through every verse, but I would likely find similar issues with the two. My recommendation is to read the verses in their full context. As with context, the meanings or when something took place changes greatly.
(Isn’t meant to be hostile by the way, just trying to give responses. Apologies if this is taken negatively, it’s not intended).
@ralph We’re turning your site into a religious one
Makes sense, this site does need some Jesus.
Isn’t the Bible related to each other, and everything that is said about Jesus, peace be upon him, is related to him? In these verses, we know that Jesus, peace be upon him (the deity in Christianity) is protected by the Most High God
Well, it’s stated pretty often that Jesus came here to die for our sins.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_died_on_the_cross_for_our_sins
Here’s a collection of verses that say either how he came to Earth to die on the cross, or what dying on the cross did.
Very early in the morning, the chief priests, with the elders, the teachers of the law and the whole Sanhedrin, made their plans. So they bound Jesus, led him away and handed him over to Pilate. “Are you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate. “You have said so,” Jesus replied. The chief priests accused him of many things. So again Pilate asked him, “Aren’t you going to answer? See how many things they are accusing you of.” But Jesus still made no reply, and Pilate was amazed. Now it was the custom at the festival to release a prisoner whom the people requested. A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. The crowd came up and asked Pilate to do for them what he usually did. “Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate, knowing it was out of self-interest that the chief priests had handed Jesus over to him. But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead. “What shall I do, then, with the one you call the king of the Jews?” Pilate asked them. “Crucify him!” they shouted. “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!” Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified. The soldiers led Jesus away into the palace (that is, the Praetorium) and called together the whole company of soldiers. They put a purple robe on him, then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on him. And they began to call out to him, “Hail, king of the Jews!” Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him. And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him out to crucify him. A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross. They brought Jesus to the place called Golgotha (which means “the place of the skull”). Then they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it. And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get. It was nine in the morning when they crucified him. The written notice of the charge against him read: the king of the jews. They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left. Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, “So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, come down from the cross and save yourself!” In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.” Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him. At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.” Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said. With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last. The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died, he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”
Mark 15:1-27, 29-39 NIV
Yall beilive that god rose him to the heaven ?
Because in quran : The truth in which there is no doubt is that God raised the Messiah to Him, as evidenced by the Qur’an. We know only to follow conjecture, and they did not kill him with certainty * Rather, God raised him to him, and he was God is Mighty, Wise. {An-Nisa: 157-158}
And in the bible : Acts 1:11: “This is Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven.” and And in Matthew 4:6 and Luke 4:10-11: (It is written that He will command His angels about you, and on their hands they will carry you).
Yes, Jesus was crucified, was risen in His heavenly body 3 days later, was here on Earth in his heavenly body for another 40 days, and then rose up to heaven to be seated at the right hand of God.
In our true religion, Islam, we believe that God Almighty made one of the supporters of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, likened him to human beings, this likeness to Paradise, then raised the real Jesus, peace be upon him, to Paradise, and he will appear at the end of time. As for the likeness, they crucified him, but you thought that he is Jesus, peace be upon him. The real Bible has been distorted several times by scholars, and this is proven by the explicit contradiction in many verses and differences in the versions of the Bible. The Qur’an, as mentioned, contains scientific facts that were not discovered and that were discovered. They were mentioned in the Qur’an 1444 years ago
Thanks